This Is Where I Ask Dumb Questions ('74 SII Rehab)

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So, got a semi hurt 304/3spd/d20 in my '74 Scout II. Not sure, but engine swallowed something. Runs, but sounds like marbles rattling around in a beer can. So, found a running 345 that a guy was swapping out of his 800. Thing is, the 392 he's putting in is out of a loadstar, and I got that oil pan, etc. Now, read in one of mayben's posts that you can use that pan on an SOA Scout okay. My silly question is, can it be used with a 4" lift and not have clearance issues? As the Scout II has oil delivery problems with the duel sump pan, I'm thinking if I can use the truck pan, that'll give me extra oil capacity, thus doing away with any issues getting oil up in the the thing. Should also help heat issues, as I will be running an oil cooler. Also doing away with the 3spd, and going to a 727.
 
You've got the oil pump and pickup to match the pan? Is it a rear sump pan? Might be okay if so. I can't do any better than a maybe, but perhaps someone else can trump that answer.
 
Forgot to mention the thing has the dip stick in the front. Will go look at the pump and such I got with it in a bit.
 
Yeah, it's front sump. I can live with the front dip stick, tho. As much interested in extra capacity as anything. This in gonna be a trail rig, and a lot of what we have up here is some sidehill gouging supreme:icon_mrgreen:
 
Front sump...I don't know man. That'll be sitting pretty close to the axle and steering components. If the 304 is still in place, you May need to drop the pan/pump/pickup from it so you can do a trial fitting of the big pan.
 
Might look at mods to the 304 pan. Like do away with the notch to get more oil. All this is just brain storming at this point. Just don't need the thing starving while I'm layed over on a sidehill up at naches. Kind of a long haul out of there with a hurt rig.
 
I hear ya. You know about running the sii's a quart over the full Mark to help prevent the starving, right? Making sure the drain back holes aren't restricted with smudge is important as well.
 
Yup, heard of that little issue. The 345 that I have was in a dd until a week or two before I got it, so I know it's a good runner. I'm putting a 4bbl on it, and would like to find a set of headers someone would like to unload. Already have 2-1/4" duels in place. Also has msd ignition box, so someone in it's past got a fair start on things.
 
Okay, here's dumb question number 2. With a reverse shackle, is an off the shelf 4" Skyjacker softride spring okay, or is there a quirk that requires a change in the way the spring pack is set up? My aged old mind thinks it recalls something about the spring reacting differently to having the rear shackle move, rather than the front one:icon_neutral:
 
I'm no suspension expert, so do bear that in mind and hopefully Jeff or chris will weigh in, but to my way of thinking, I don't see why the spring pack would give a shit which shackle moves, so long as the distance between shackle mounts is correct. How would a person set up a spring pack differently anyway?
 
On the face of it, I have no freaking clue. For some reason, that has itself stuck in a crack, and is kind of working a nerve.
 
I don't have any personal experience with the Skyjacker springs. Somewhere in the forum, someone mentioned that the 2.5" Skyjacker springs give a better ride quality than the 4" springs.

I do know for a fact that the shackle reversal helps tremendously. I just installed my 3rd kit on a friends 69 Scout 800, and the kit alone fixed a lot of the issues that he was experiencing.

Might make another separate post asking the spring question.
 
I could be way off base here...it does happen about once a year:dita:..but I think grumpy dave's question is less about which spring brand gives the more guuder ride quality, and more about whether the rs setup requires one to make some sort of shell-game modification to their spring pack, changing up the order of the leaf assembly. I'm sure he'll let us know which of us is more off base in short order.
 
Yup, got this little tickle in the back of my mind telling me I heard somewhere that the rs makes the spring react differently, and that some tweaking needs to be done for spring action to be optimum. But then, old age could be affecting my memory a mite:smilewinkgrin:
 
That's what I thought. Scooter ought to be able to answer that since he's done several rs installs. I know one Scout buddy of mine went rs on his '73 and didn't do anything special to his 2.5 springs. Paging dr. Scooter...dr. Scooter to I c u stat. Code blue.
 
Ugh - this thing called work and maken some one else Rich is for the birds. Worken 10 hours a day 4 days a week does have it's perks to a sertain degree.

I have not done anything to any spring pack to any of the shackle reversal kits that I have installed. No modifications to the springs packs were needed what so ever. I will add that the oem leaf springs on the 69 800 were slightly narrower than the fangs that get welded up front below the bumber. IHPA sells a spacer that compensates for this. All it is is an 1/8" thick round disc with a hole in the center for the bolt that holds the leaf spring into place.

The whole front suspension will definately react differently once the reversal kit is installed. All for the better. On my 74 rolled Scout, before hugging a tree with passenger door, I drove upto and through a portion of the rubicon. This was after I did the reversal kit and SOA. The suspension handled flawlessly. Took everything a I threw at it and just grinned, and then some. Just the shackle reversal alone will turn the Scout into a cadilac on steroids.

Now if there's some one out there to dispute this, I'll stand corrected. But I don't think that the reversal kit gives a rats arse as to what kind of springs ya got. Some folks even use wider and longer leafs from a chebby. IHPA does have a uneversal kit that has the wider fangs to compensate. If need be I can post up a few photos of this 62 Scout 80, I have here in my man cave that has a shackle reversal kit installed with the wider springs and dog leg shackles. I personally don't like the dogleg shackles in this set up because it brings the rear eyelet of the spring too close to the bottom of the frame. Just seems like there's not enough room for moving while it's flexing. I will stick with the 5" or 6" straight shackles any day. But that' personal prefference. I also have two of my own Scout II's, a 73 and a 74, that I installed the reversal kit on. Using both oem spring packs and 2.5" lift and 4" lift springs. Again no mods done to spring packs.

Hope this helps
 
Son and heir steve will be glad to hear that! He's replacing some way to stiff rc springs with the skyjackers in a IHPA rs we put on way back when. Thanks for the help, guys! Yup, we are a two Scout family:icon_mrgreen:
 
Don't park 'em too close together, now dammit! The dam things breed in captivity, don't ya know!

Kimball, you ought to be in sales. For quite awhile now I've been wanting to go rs on hooty Scout. After reading your "pitch", I wants one more guuder than ever before! Hooty should be a cadillac on steroids!
 
Haha. Me in sales? There's a joke in there somewhere.

The shackle reversal is worth every penny. I also forgot to mention that the kit doesn't care if ya go SOA or not. On ronbgone's 69 Scout 80 that I just my last install of the kit on, is still sprung under. And he almost couldn't contain himself afterwards on how well his Scout handled. And that's with messed up old oem springs. Well, used and abused springs.

You shoulda told me about parken my own scouts next to each other. Because they had off spring and now I'm sporten 4 scouts II 's.
 
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