Limited disassembly of a 1980 IC 196

I like cast stainless more that the traditional cast iron. The SS is pretty much like cast steel in grain structure. For welding you're using er70 or similar wire in the MIG? Either way you will be fine with the standard mild steel argon/co2 mix.
If I don't I can buy a roll of er70. So with that and my Ar/CO2, I can get away with welding SS? If so, life looks a little brighter. This morning I see my bushings just shipped from McMaster Carr, so probably by this weekend I can get to drilling and tapping those holes.
 
Er70 is mild steel filler. Very common. It will weld SS but not yield the corrosion resistance you’d get with a filler like an SS wir
 
The F bit bushes arrived today. Here they are, pressed into the FP block off plate. Now to epoxy it to the rough cast boss and see if there is clearance to get my drill in there. Because the shipping on these parts ended up being more than their cost, this ended up being a pricey little exercise. :oops:
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Robert,
Any progress is good progress. Today I managed to drill the FP boss for tapping. You can see that the mold for the block wasn't maintained WRT to that boss, since it was no longer to be used. The holes are in the correct location, and you can see where the material at the six o'clock position is barely there. I'm thinking of using a block off plate (a plain, cheap one) over the boss for support under the bracket I have yet to fab. These holes were drilled 0.850-0.865" deep. I plan on running a bottom tap to the...bottom. Again, I won't trust the steadiness of my hand to tap it. Since I live in a rural area, everything seems to be difficult to obtain. I ordered a tap guide on line, and it will arrive in a week. Darn! I should have had one of those years ago! But I won't get a second chance if I screw up those holes. So be it.
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Robert,
Any progress is good progress. Today I managed to drill the FP boss for tapping. You can see that the mold for the block wasn't maintained WRT to that boss, since it was no longer to be used. The holes are in the correct location, and you can see where the material at the six o'clock position is barely there. I'm thinking of using a block off plate (a plain, cheap one) over the boss for support under the bracket I have yet to fab. These holes were drilled 0.850-0.865" deep. I plan on running a bottom tap to the...bottom. Again, I won't trust the steadiness of my hand to tap it. Since I live in a rural area, everything seems to be difficult to obtain. I ordered a tap guide on line, and it will arrive in a week. Darn! I should have had one of those years ago! But I won't get a second chance if I screw up those holes. So be it. View attachment 35827

looks like it went fine. I thing the pad is taller than the final machined one so the pad face will lengthen and centralize your new holes. I have a guided tap handle and it helps for sure.
 
Now that the great Texas Freeze is behind me (19 degrees F, no power or water, and then only one burst water pipe), it is sunny and warm enough outside to tap those holes! A small thing, true, but I've had cabin fever for the past few weeks and am itching to get anything done on this project. I don't yet have a bottom tap but what I got got me threads down to a tick over 0.800" deep. That guide was just the ticket! I'll take that for now.

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Circumstances have forced my putting the turbo project on hold the past four years, but now I can officially restart it. Many thanks to Robert for being a sounding board and offering encouragement, although some of my approaches may not be conventional.

The journey of a thousand miles thus begins with second step, the first being drilling and tapping the holes on the vestigial fuel pump boss found on the 196. This was done a little over a year ago. I won't go over the general outline of how I want this to play out (posted earlier), but it brings me to step two. I removed my smog pump, etc. that was mounted on a custom bracket, over my P/S pump. I removed the left motor mount and cleaned it up. In mocking this up with a dummy turbo and the exhaust stub I need to use, I realize that I need to modify the motor mount for exhaust clearance. Attached is a pic of the mount. What I need to do is basically shift the rear, vertical plate forward several inches, to clear the front of the pipe by around 1". I can have a 1/4" plate cut to roughly the same shape as the rear vertical plate on the mount, welding it across the top of the motor mount itself, and it will line up with the forward edges of the little "tabs' that bolt it all to the side of the block. Then cut away the original plate. Going to cut out a cardboard template and find someone to cut it. Pretty sure it will be as structurally sound as the original.
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Good to see you back in the saddle, ...... seat.
It isn't easy, actually. One gets used to working on vehicles, and then a forced sabbatical of extended time makes one's "tinkering" muscles quite flabby. :rolleyes:

Here's what I need to do.
 

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Yea, they don't stay in shape as long as they used to either. I find my self lusting after one of those fancy car lifts. Sure would make things a lot easier.
 
Robert, There is an outfit that can cut this plate (another similar one that I may have done to keep in reserve if additional support is needed). I can't see why regular mild steel wouldn't do just fine. There are two high carbon steel alternatives, but I don't know if that is helpful. Any thoughts? There's a welding shop a few blocks from me that can weld these in. I don't think my 100 amp MIG is up to the task.
 
Robert, There is an outfit that can cut this plate (another similar one that I may have done to keep in reserve if additional support is needed). I can't see why regular mild steel wouldn't do just fine. There are two high carbon steel alternatives, but I don't know if that is helpful. Any thoughts? There's a welding shop a few blocks from me that can weld these in. I don't think my 100 amp MIG is up to the task.
Mild steel is fine there.
with a lower than optimal MIG, bevel the edges so you have to multi-pass weld fill fillet. Also preheat the zone to 4-500* with a gas torch after tacking. I like mild steel for mig because it won’t get locally hard from welding like high carbon will.Also why laser cutting hi carbon steel is a no no only water jet if you plan on post machining the cut edges. BTDT😩 get out the carbide cutters.
 
Mild steel is fine there.
with a lower than optimal MIG, bevel the edges so you have to multi-pass weld fill fillet. Also preheat the zone to 4-500* with a gas torch after tacking. I like mild steel for mig because it won’t get locally hard from welding like high carbon will.Also why laser cutting hi carbon steel is a no no only water jet if you plan on post machining the cut edges. BTDT😩 get out the carbide cutters.
As it turns out, the vendor can only do my 1/4" plate in HRPO mild steel, so that should work out fine. Should arrive next week. Because of the criticality of a motor mount bracket, I'll have a local welding shop burn it in properly. I have welded a 3/8" piece on my frame successfully with my 100 amp MIG, but that was that funny bracket with the ball for the clutch linkage cross-shaft. I had to graft on a new piece with a good ball. I practiced on two pieces of comparable scrap and worked that out. But in this case, I'll just pay the man!

Spent the past few days taking things apart. Got most of the front clip off so I can have total access to the driver's side of the engine. The humidity here generates a lot of corrosion and surface rust. If you look closely at my cardboard template, you'll see a black line that would define a smaller piece (lower half). I had them cut one of those as well to possibly weld about 1 - 1/4" rear of the front mount edge. There is a tapped boss on the block that I could use to almost mirror image the lower tab and brace.
 
Brackets arrived from the vendor. Wow! Beautiful, and cut out exactly as drawn! Plan is to use the big one, but keep the other in reserve if additional bracing is needed. Hopefully get the bracket welded up this week, then move on to finalizing the turbo mount. Then I can tackle modifying the oil pan. Just got the front clip off and I have plenty of access to the engine. Now that I know this vendor can get the job done right, I need to have a special mounting plate cut for the turbo. It is the T4 style, and while there are plenty of plate available, they all have a rectangular cutout for the pipe. I need a circular hole, between 2 - 2 1/4". Haven't decided exactly on the size of pipe coming over (well, under, technically) from the exhaust manifold.

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Back from the welder. He had the ability to do the job much better than I could. All bolt holes line up and it bolts up with no binding. That’s a win. I thought it would only take a few minutes to fab a quick bracket to see how the turbo would mock up. That quick bracket revealed that it can’t fit up like the others I’m patterning this after. I had not accounted for two things: a 196 from a 800 model is clocked 15 degrees and has an intake that provides clearances that an IC 196 rotated back to a normal position, does not have. Plus the EGR hump on the underside doesn’t help. I can see a path forward but I’m done for today. It’s margarita time. Note that I had to remove my oil/coolant exchanger and filter mount. I now get to use that remote oil filter mount that I cast early on in this project! Just need to drill and tap for some 1/2" fittings.

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Robert, we're making progress! I roughed out a mounting bracket that I will duplicate in thicker metal once I finalize its shape. I used a piece of angle iron that on the forward end, shares the upper forward motor mount bolt. I will need to weld a tab to the angle iron that will lay against and bolt to that unused fuel pump boss. Holes already tapped and ready to go. :) I cut out a section of the top of the angle and welded in a piece that closes the 90 degrees to 75 degrees (an acute angle). Turbo base bolts to this, and the base is level with the floor. So this bracket, that will uphold the turbo's weight, should be solid enough. Although I had done proper measurements, I inadvertently welded the "shelf" the turbo bolts to, an inch too far forward. That space is needed for the pipe to clear the back of the new vertical mounting plate. Easy to correct. At this time it looks like the turbo and exhaust pipe ell will fit as envisioned. Additional plan is to fab an additional stabilizing brace using the triangular exhaust pipe collar. Next details to finalize are to use a hole saw and cut out the dip stick boss on the oil pan, and relocate it further aft. In this hole I plan on welding in a nipple that will accept the oil return line, and it is vertically in line with the turbo's center section. Then on to crafting a pattern for a new intake elbow to cast in aluminum. But before I do much more, I'm going to clean this engine and repaint it!

Edit: updated side-shot after moving assembly aft one inch. Makes all the difference.


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I've begun disassembling the engine. I was hoping for better, but it's going to be what it is. The good so far is that I can see the camshaft and the lobes look great. The lifters are also still convex, and I know they were all spinning, so I'm thinking so far that I can remove it, probably tomorrow, and set it and the lifters aside. Tomorrow the crankshaft, rods and pistons come out. If nothing is shown to be worse than what I've seen so far, fingers crossed that I can get away with grinding the journals 0.010" under. That's a win.

I've attached some pics of what I found after removing the head. Either this engine has been running real rich, or I have a lot of oil leaking by the guides? This engine has only 5K on the rebuild documented earlier, and I didn't do the head work. All the guides and most (maybe all) the valves were replaced, with new OEM springs, by the machine shop. As far as the holes go, all still have cross-hatching, and the bores have familiar fine scratches in the stroke direction (every engine I've ever had the head off of had scratches from grit or whatever along the thrust surface). Barely detectible with a fingernail, if that. The carbon deposits on the tops of the cylinders comes off with some vigorous rubbing. To me it looks more oil than rich, but I'm no expert. The tops of the pistons have a funny gold cast to them. We had set those pistons to 0.0035" recommended clearance because of adding a turbo. Maybe just lightly hone the bores? It all comes apart tomorrow for further inspection.


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What prompted you to take the engine apart?
I need to run a pipe under the engine between the exhaust manifold and the turbo. The Scout II is lousy for this due to the double sump pan, and would require notching the "notch". So I pulled the pan to begin that process and saw a lot of metal in the pan. Took off a main cap and a rod cap. Bearings were already wiping, and grooving of at least one main journal. With that going on, the only thing one can do is disassemble, see what else needs to be corrected, and rebuild. I thought that rebuild would have been the last, but it was not to be. The vehicle unfortunately has had to sit outside in wet and now humid, climates (but under cover, for whatever help that provides) and that has taken its toll. :mad:
 
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