Excellent reading!

Good read, thanks for sharing.
Thanks to sloan/GM, firestone, and the seven sisters of oil; I sometimes dream of the open road in a gridlock on i5/205.
 
I find it odd, I am not sadden one bit by the bankruptcy of GM. It's pains me more that pontiac is going the way of the dodo, to keep buick of all things around. What I do find odd is this.

My parents bought a 2008 Chevy equinox last year. The engine was built in china, the transmission in japan and the car was assembled in canada. Both my grandparents and my aunt and uncle bought 2009 toyota camry's. The engine was built in the usa, the transmission was built in the usa and the car was assembled in the usa. So, you can buy a GM from an "American" company and drop money into the pocket of blue collar workers in foreign nations and line the pockets of white collar workers who screw everyone over and take multi-billion dollar loans from the government. Putting the burden of their mistakes onto the taxpayers of this country. Or, you can buy a toyota and put money into the pocket of the blue collar worker in america, while supporting a foreign white collar worker, who last time I checked wasn't being a billion dollar parasite on the back of the American tax payer.

So, why again do I want to support GM?:rolleyes5:
 
While few would shed a tear for GM, the future of the "performance" car should make everyone cry!

The new GM (government motors) won't be building anything but green cars, or so it appears. I fear for my favorite moniker, corvette!
 
baseball. hot dogs. apple pie And chevrolet. What has happend to GM should make everyone in america cry. What was once cornerstone of the usa could become nothing but a footnote in history. Sad when big business greed can ruin an American icon. I'm not sure what needs to happen but I know that GM going under will not be good for america.
 
Greed is 2 sided, someone buys; and keeps buying.
If all we wanted was transport, we'd be driving a checker or a rambler. Sloan and earl gave us style, virility, affluence, and tailfins; and it was bought over and over. Then again getting from a to b should be fun too. Nope, too much of a good thing in my book; that's what's killing it all.
 
major screwup said:
while few would shed a tear for GM, the future of the "performance" car should make everyone cry!

The new GM (government motors) won't be building anything but green cars, or so it appears. I fear for my favorite moniker, corvette!
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If it wasn't for government motors -- there would be nothing left of GM. If it were up to me I'd let them all fold up and go away. If you can't stay in business and make money, why should tax payers bail you out?
 
major screwup said:
while few would shed a tear for GM, the future of the "performance" car should make everyone cry!

The new GM (government motors) won't be building anything but green cars, or so it appears. I fear for my favorite moniker, corvette!
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I fully agree. Now the government has a firm foot hold in the auto industry. They are going to be able to accomplish what they have always wanted. Telling the American public what they want in a car. That does make me sad, for the future of the American auto belongs to true innovators, not people who buy into the bs "green" technology they are selling now. People who are short sided and take a blind eye to serious issues with green technology. Yes, for that terry I do shed a tear.
 
chris pucci said:
if it wasn't for government motors -- there would be nothing left of GM. If it were up to me I'd let them all fold up and go away. If you can't stay in business and make money, why should tax payers bail you out?
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I agree,make a profit or fold up, the gummint is letting a lot of other businesses fail (as they should) but at least half of GM's troubles are due to the gummint with their stupid regulations and the uaw with their stupid contracts. So they almost owe 'em a bailout.
If the gummint would get off their back, they could make a profit, selling products people actually want to buy. Just like the old days!

Now we have the gummint owning 70% of GM and soon dictating what cars we want, a sad day indeed.

And GM stockholders take it in the shorts...

Now how do I get a bail out???:ciappa:
 
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Unfortunately, GM has been "dwindling away" for 20 years (some might say 30).

For a number of reasons -- you can blame unions, you can blame healthcare costs, quality control, "failure" of successive eras of management, and on and on....

I can still vaguely recall the Chevy cavalier that I rented on a trip in the middle 80's. Driving on city streets at 25 - 30 mph, the auto trans constantly shifted between d and od....

GM was "ok" as long as the purses / home equity piggy bank was open... (to buy pickups / suvs)

having 4 brands (at one time) that look almost exactly alike (and, in some cases, are except for the plastic badges) is not innovation...

One could say, for the us, the management never got their "head out of detroit".

At least when toyota and honda got serious about the us market, they put their design centers in southern California (the "heart of car culture"). (yes, I know how much you guys :icon_heart: kalifornia...).

Btw, GM is keeping buick because it is "their brand" in china. (found an article that stated for April, 8900 buicks sold in us; 38,000 in china...)
 
having 4 brands (at one time) that look almost exactly alike (
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That's was so you could stay in the GM "family" as you prospered and/or got older.
Biscayne to impala to buick to cadillac and so on. Then if you were the "sport", you also had the vette.
Anyone remember the vega?
I miss the muscle cars.
 
Yes comrades, get ready for homo-gin-eyezd, hermetically sealed conveyances that all look the same, sound the same, operate the same etc etc. I've never been a big fan of GM products except for the gto (the original, not that repackaged p.o.s monero from down unduh), but this is a sad day. Look on the bright side though. At least we've still got fomoco, right ss2?:ciappa:
 
In the 80's and 90's, there was really no difference (imo) in the pontiac / buick / olds versions of the chevrolet. So, there was no reason to pay more for them.... Other than the "name". As opposed to the 50's and 60's, when they were really different vehicles.

Vega -- yes, there is a guy still driving one around here -- it is green and orange -- a couple replacement panels from the junk yard...

More amazing is the mercury version of the Ford pinto that I see every once in a while. But, it looks like it was "grandma's car" and sat in the garage for 25 years...
 

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Regardless of your opinion of GM this is a sad day for america:

from the wsj:

next Monday, after 84 years, GM will cease being part of the dow jones industrial average, replaced by technology company cisco systems inc.
 
Congressional motors car 2012???

I know you guys are having fun, but

one of GM's major problems is that it would not be able to put out the rudimentary "new" car pictured by 2012.

And, if congress is going to be involved, it might not happen even in 2022...

One of major problems for GM is that the management team / structure / "knowledge" that got GM to this place is still there...

One commentator I heard (no, he is not on talk show radio... Or even talk show tv (fox "news")) stated that GM should have been restructuring in 2005 -- when the most cars were sold in the us (17 million?) and GM lost 10 billion dollars...
 
robertc said:
One of major problems for GM is that the management team / structure / "knowledge" that got GM to this place is still there...

One commentator I heard (no, he is not on talk show radio... Or even talk show tv (fox "news")) stated that GM should have been restructuring in 2005 -- when the most cars were sold in the us (17 million?) and GM lost 10 billion dollars...
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It is funny to me how this is all getting blamed on the current government and 'liberals' in general. When the fact of the matter is GM was stinking it up as a company for years -- including during the past administration which had some of the most favorable 'big business' policies of all times.

Have we so quickly forgotten when GM gots it's first bailout $$$?? Oh right during 2008. Who was in charge then? Oh right dick cheney.


Why do I even read these threads? I know better than to jump in a play along with the tinfoil hat gang....
 
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