Awww but, come on scoutboy, gauges are neat and add character! After reading about the possibility of a dwell gauge I started dreaming up a way to customize the dash to hard mount my dwell/tach meter, lol. I actually was thinking of something along the lines of a mini hummer center console.
62 Crew Cab 4x4 restoration project
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overdrivesteve
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Hi,
I agree, a vacuum gauge would be more beneficial. Thanks.
Today I just adjusted the doors and spray oiled all the door latch and window regulator mechanisms. Now, for the first time in who knows how many years, all 4 doors close easily and latch completely. Previously you had to keep your arm on the drivers door as it would fly open when driving down the road. And other doors had to be slammed hard just to engage the first click. Adjusting the doors was not hard to do, so I don't know why the po lived with doors that would not close properly.
Doors that work properly and a dashboard that looks good and works are two of my "things" I'm picky about. Tomorrow I'm taking the truck in for new window glass. Ideally I'd like to do this after it's painted, but I want to be able to close and lock the truck (and keep out any rain) asap. Today I saw evidence where someone has been in my truck even though it's parked in my driveway behind a closed gate.
No pictures because there is still nothing new to see. But I'll include pictures after the new door window glass is installed. It will be nice to see it without bullet holes in the windows and missing front door glass.
And it will help keep me motivated when the truck doesn't look so bad that everyone laughs at it.
Steve
I agree, a vacuum gauge would be more beneficial. Thanks.
Today I just adjusted the doors and spray oiled all the door latch and window regulator mechanisms. Now, for the first time in who knows how many years, all 4 doors close easily and latch completely. Previously you had to keep your arm on the drivers door as it would fly open when driving down the road. And other doors had to be slammed hard just to engage the first click. Adjusting the doors was not hard to do, so I don't know why the po lived with doors that would not close properly.
Doors that work properly and a dashboard that looks good and works are two of my "things" I'm picky about. Tomorrow I'm taking the truck in for new window glass. Ideally I'd like to do this after it's painted, but I want to be able to close and lock the truck (and keep out any rain) asap. Today I saw evidence where someone has been in my truck even though it's parked in my driveway behind a closed gate.
No pictures because there is still nothing new to see. But I'll include pictures after the new door window glass is installed. It will be nice to see it without bullet holes in the windows and missing front door glass.
And it will help keep me motivated when the truck doesn't look so bad that everyone laughs at it.
Steve
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Don't worry about anyone here laughing at your old 'binder.
Most of us have owned at least one project that during the project was not anything close to show quality.
Since the majority of old 'binders are runners and not garage queens it isn't unusual to see something that was show quality one year exhibiting bangs and bruises the next.
Most of us have owned at least one project that during the project was not anything close to show quality.
Since the majority of old 'binders are runners and not garage queens it isn't unusual to see something that was show quality one year exhibiting bangs and bruises the next.
overdrivesteve
Member
Thanks, marko.
Just an update on my project. I took the truck in for new glass. Although economy auto glass in van nuys specializes in vintage vehicle glass, he has never done an IH before. So I needed to order new window felts and wind wing rubber before he could replace the glass. I did so at the store here.
According to IH Parts America, they only sell perhaps 1 pick-up truck window felt kit a year, so it's hardly a big seller for them. As for the new wind wing window rubber, I was told they don't have it listed because they have never sold one before, but think they can get it.
Well today the new, soft, flexible wing window rubber arrived. What a difference from the cracked, brittle and broken rubber that is there now. Still waiting for the felt kits. I really look forward to seeing the truck for the first time with windows that are not broken and shattered with bullet holes.
I also got a new (to me) transmission for the truck. It's a 5 speed, not exactly the ratios I wanted, but I can change that later if time and especially money allows. It's a t34 with a .82 overdrive 5th. I would have preferred the t35 with 1 to 1 for 5th gear, but if I can't find someone to trade, I'll live with overdrive for awhile.
As I was working on the truck the other day, 3 police officers on bikes approached me. Turns out they just wanted to see the truck because they thought it was cool. Wish my landlord was there - she hates the truck and came very, very close to evicting me the day I parked it in my parking space instead of my car. Compared to her new lexus and her son's new bmw, she calls it one big pos. Fortunately it came with a cover I use to hide it from her view. New vehicles have covers too so now she seems ok with that, as long as I keep it covered to "hide its ugliness".
Still don't feel like I have much I can show you, at least not compared to the incredible work others have done on their project builds and restorations. I’m lucky if I can work on it one day a week. But if there is anything you would like to see pictures of, let me know.
Steve
Just an update on my project. I took the truck in for new glass. Although economy auto glass in van nuys specializes in vintage vehicle glass, he has never done an IH before. So I needed to order new window felts and wind wing rubber before he could replace the glass. I did so at the store here.
According to IH Parts America, they only sell perhaps 1 pick-up truck window felt kit a year, so it's hardly a big seller for them. As for the new wind wing window rubber, I was told they don't have it listed because they have never sold one before, but think they can get it.
Well today the new, soft, flexible wing window rubber arrived. What a difference from the cracked, brittle and broken rubber that is there now. Still waiting for the felt kits. I really look forward to seeing the truck for the first time with windows that are not broken and shattered with bullet holes.
I also got a new (to me) transmission for the truck. It's a 5 speed, not exactly the ratios I wanted, but I can change that later if time and especially money allows. It's a t34 with a .82 overdrive 5th. I would have preferred the t35 with 1 to 1 for 5th gear, but if I can't find someone to trade, I'll live with overdrive for awhile.
As I was working on the truck the other day, 3 police officers on bikes approached me. Turns out they just wanted to see the truck because they thought it was cool. Wish my landlord was there - she hates the truck and came very, very close to evicting me the day I parked it in my parking space instead of my car. Compared to her new lexus and her son's new bmw, she calls it one big pos. Fortunately it came with a cover I use to hide it from her view. New vehicles have covers too so now she seems ok with that, as long as I keep it covered to "hide its ugliness".
Still don't feel like I have much I can show you, at least not compared to the incredible work others have done on their project builds and restorations. I’m lucky if I can work on it one day a week. But if there is anything you would like to see pictures of, let me know.
Steve
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overdrivesteve
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sounds like you need to evict your landlord!some people just have no appreciation for quality vehicles!!! Keep up the good work buddy!
Thanks, your support is appreciated.
That would be great! I would really look forward to it. Hope to see you here in van nuys sometime. I'd have so many questions, from simple such as "does this engine sound normal for an IH" to "what kind of transfer case do I have" to the serious "what's the best answer to a serious suspension problem created by the po this truck has". It would be so helpful to me if I could bounce ideas off someone who has seen the actual truck and doesn't keep calling it an old Ford.
When it comes down to it, nearly all the work I'm doing is fixing things the previous owners have done to the truck. It's amazing all the abuse every system in this truck has had by po's and the truck still ran. Broken brake drum, speedo cable held together by silicone, fuel line wrapped around the suspension spring shackle, crossed electrical wiring - turn the right turn signal on and the left rear blinker flashes and both indicators on the dash flash, gas gauge that sometimes works, but usually doesn't, broken window glass, tie rod hits the oil pan, capped engine pcv outlets, wrong air cleaner assembly, leaky fuel tank top, etc etc I could go on and on and on but it only makes me feel overwhelmed. And what he did to the body, scratch sanding it down to bare metal (putting gouges in the metal) then only putting a little primer on a little bit of the body so the remainder is turning into pitted black rust before my eyes.
Anyway I do appreciate any help/advice I can get from anyone. Parts are on their way so hopefully soon I'll have something to show.
Thanks.
Steve
Scooter
Active member
Grew up down there. I lived in manhattan beach the last twelve years of living in socal, until jan. 1990 when I moved to nor cal. And inglewood before that.
Been awhile since I have gone down that way. I'm hoping to make it down there this summer some time. But that all depends on when I can get one of my scouts drivable. I have been busy helping other Scout owners with their rigs. And morally I can't start working on my own, until I can finish up a friends 69 Scout 800. Was hoping that he be able to drive it off yesterday. But ran into a snag with charging issues. Sigh.
I can relate to the po virus. I have had to deal with a lot of it on my 73 beast. And I'm the fourth owner, so I can't blame the fella I got it from, considering that I believe that he would have done some of the shady work that I've fixed and/or replaced and/or upgraded.
Been awhile since I have gone down that way. I'm hoping to make it down there this summer some time. But that all depends on when I can get one of my scouts drivable. I have been busy helping other Scout owners with their rigs. And morally I can't start working on my own, until I can finish up a friends 69 Scout 800. Was hoping that he be able to drive it off yesterday. But ran into a snag with charging issues. Sigh.
I can relate to the po virus. I have had to deal with a lot of it on my 73 beast. And I'm the fourth owner, so I can't blame the fella I got it from, considering that I believe that he would have done some of the shady work that I've fixed and/or replaced and/or upgraded.
overdrivesteve
Member
Well, just thought I'd bring you up to date with my driveway restoration.
Awhile ago I ordered a steering column assembly along with a few other parts for my truck. I was interested in the horn, turn signal mechanism and steering wheel for my truck. I saw pictures of it before I purchased it, and I saw pictures of it banded to a shipping pallet with metal bands and completely wrapped in cellophane waiting for the shipping company to pick it up and deliver here.
It finally arrived a couple days ago - loose, not even any cellophane on it. And the way the steering wheel was broken, it appears as if someone in the shipping company had used a crowbar to quickly pry the horn button assembly from the steering wheel. In addition the boxes of parts were opened and falling apart as there was no longer any metal bands around any of them either. A couple minor things were also missing from the box of parts. The seller refunded me for the steering column, although it was not really his fault.
I also contacted the shipping company for some explanation as to why or at least an apology for removing the metal bands and opening my shipment. No reply, nothing. So all I can say is never use oak harbor freight lines.
Also a few days ago the new felts arrived with the new wind wing window rubber. Yea! I took the truck to the glass shop today to have some windows made and installed in the truck. Unfortunately, some of the wing window rubber is wrong. And the window felts for the rear door windows are also wrong. The glass shop is trying to glue the felts on in the back doors. Definitely not the correct way to attach them, but it's all they can do with what was given them.
But on a positive note, I believe I found a heater control valve that will work properly in my heater box. I'll let you know when that arrives.
I look forward to the day when I can post some positive pictures of this restoration.
Steve
Awhile ago I ordered a steering column assembly along with a few other parts for my truck. I was interested in the horn, turn signal mechanism and steering wheel for my truck. I saw pictures of it before I purchased it, and I saw pictures of it banded to a shipping pallet with metal bands and completely wrapped in cellophane waiting for the shipping company to pick it up and deliver here.
It finally arrived a couple days ago - loose, not even any cellophane on it. And the way the steering wheel was broken, it appears as if someone in the shipping company had used a crowbar to quickly pry the horn button assembly from the steering wheel. In addition the boxes of parts were opened and falling apart as there was no longer any metal bands around any of them either. A couple minor things were also missing from the box of parts. The seller refunded me for the steering column, although it was not really his fault.
I also contacted the shipping company for some explanation as to why or at least an apology for removing the metal bands and opening my shipment. No reply, nothing. So all I can say is never use oak harbor freight lines.
Also a few days ago the new felts arrived with the new wind wing window rubber. Yea! I took the truck to the glass shop today to have some windows made and installed in the truck. Unfortunately, some of the wing window rubber is wrong. And the window felts for the rear door windows are also wrong. The glass shop is trying to glue the felts on in the back doors. Definitely not the correct way to attach them, but it's all they can do with what was given them.
But on a positive note, I believe I found a heater control valve that will work properly in my heater box. I'll let you know when that arrives.
I look forward to the day when I can post some positive pictures of this restoration.
Steve
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Sorry to hear you had a bad experience with ohfl.
They are one of the best freight companies in the nw.
I am sure either of the vander pols would want to know of your experience as it isn't the sort of service they are known to provide.
oak harbor freight lines, inc.
They are one of the best freight companies in the nw.
I am sure either of the vander pols would want to know of your experience as it isn't the sort of service they are known to provide.
oak harbor freight lines, inc.
overdrivesteve
Member
Thank you, scoutdawg.
Today I got my truck back from the glass shop. They had the truck exactly one week. It now has new glass in its 4 doors and wind wings. It also has some new rubber seals around the wind wings and new felts around the door windows. Hopefully that will keep the rain out.
now for the particulars in case anyone else wants to replace the glass in their pickup truck.
The felt was manufactured by a company called montco mfg. Trademark repops and sold by IH Parts America. Some of the felt seals were wrong as far as being an exact replacement. They had to be glued or screwed into place, not the proper way to install them. However, repops does provide a lifetime guarantee. And they told me they would manufacture new felts to work exactly like new if I sent them the original old ones. I thought that was really going the extra mile for great customer service. Could not ask for anything better than that.
Unfortunately the glass shop had already started to glue the other felts into place. I could see it taking another few months just to get glass in this truck if I sent in the old felt pieces with the corresponding wrong new felt pieces, waited until they manufactured new replacements, then had the new shipped to me and finally installed. There is far too much work to be done on this truck now. Perhaps later if or when I find some good replacement doors for the truck, I will have that done.
However, as a heads up, if you are planning to get new felts for your early 60's crew cab pickup truck, to do it right, order the felts from IH Parts America, disassemble the window/felts, then send any old ones matched to the wrong ones they provide so they know which ones are wrong and can manufacture for you the correct replacements.
As for the wind wing window rubber, that came from another company. The big u-shaped piece was correct, but not the straight piece - it was not even close. That came from a company called restoration specialities. I called them too about their wrong wind wing rubber parts. They told me they did not want to talk to me, and to talk to whoever I bought it from then hung up on me. So I don't know if the wrong ones were sent to me, or they make the wrong ones for a c120 to begin with, or if they would manufacture the correct ones, or give a partial refund for the wrong parts supplied. Who knows, they would not talk to me.
In the future I will ask repops if they manufacture wind wing rubber. I am willing to bet they would if they don't already. They said that's how they expand their inventory of products is by people sending in the old which they then copy.
It was getting dark by the time I got home with the truck so I did not have time to take any pictures ... Now with new windows.
I also learned how they moved the truck around their shop and parking lot this past week.
for me the truck always starts on the first revolution and with no smoke, perhaps because I know exactly how much to pull the choke out.
They said the truck would not start for them, so they moved the truck by putting it in gear and using the starter motor to drive the truck. They said except once they almost crashed the truck because it unexpectedly started when they were driving it like this and it lurched forward, belching smoke. ... I hate other people working on my truck ....
after it's painted, hopefully that will be the last time anyone else ever touches my truck . everything else I can do myself, and it does need a lot of other work .
as for the heater box, the water control valve came in and this replacement valve mounts inside the heater box similar to the original and works better than the original IH valve ever did new . I've learned a lot about the old 62 to 68 heater boxes and I'll do a complete post about rebuilding them with part numbers and sources once I finish mine and can document it with pics .
it will be another week before I have time off to work on the truck again .
steve
Today I got my truck back from the glass shop. They had the truck exactly one week. It now has new glass in its 4 doors and wind wings. It also has some new rubber seals around the wind wings and new felts around the door windows. Hopefully that will keep the rain out.
now for the particulars in case anyone else wants to replace the glass in their pickup truck.
The felt was manufactured by a company called montco mfg. Trademark repops and sold by IH Parts America. Some of the felt seals were wrong as far as being an exact replacement. They had to be glued or screwed into place, not the proper way to install them. However, repops does provide a lifetime guarantee. And they told me they would manufacture new felts to work exactly like new if I sent them the original old ones. I thought that was really going the extra mile for great customer service. Could not ask for anything better than that.
Unfortunately the glass shop had already started to glue the other felts into place. I could see it taking another few months just to get glass in this truck if I sent in the old felt pieces with the corresponding wrong new felt pieces, waited until they manufactured new replacements, then had the new shipped to me and finally installed. There is far too much work to be done on this truck now. Perhaps later if or when I find some good replacement doors for the truck, I will have that done.
However, as a heads up, if you are planning to get new felts for your early 60's crew cab pickup truck, to do it right, order the felts from IH Parts America, disassemble the window/felts, then send any old ones matched to the wrong ones they provide so they know which ones are wrong and can manufacture for you the correct replacements.
As for the wind wing window rubber, that came from another company. The big u-shaped piece was correct, but not the straight piece - it was not even close. That came from a company called restoration specialities. I called them too about their wrong wind wing rubber parts. They told me they did not want to talk to me, and to talk to whoever I bought it from then hung up on me. So I don't know if the wrong ones were sent to me, or they make the wrong ones for a c120 to begin with, or if they would manufacture the correct ones, or give a partial refund for the wrong parts supplied. Who knows, they would not talk to me.
In the future I will ask repops if they manufacture wind wing rubber. I am willing to bet they would if they don't already. They said that's how they expand their inventory of products is by people sending in the old which they then copy.
It was getting dark by the time I got home with the truck so I did not have time to take any pictures ... Now with new windows.
I also learned how they moved the truck around their shop and parking lot this past week.
for me the truck always starts on the first revolution and with no smoke, perhaps because I know exactly how much to pull the choke out.
They said the truck would not start for them, so they moved the truck by putting it in gear and using the starter motor to drive the truck. They said except once they almost crashed the truck because it unexpectedly started when they were driving it like this and it lurched forward, belching smoke. ... I hate other people working on my truck ....
after it's painted, hopefully that will be the last time anyone else ever touches my truck . everything else I can do myself, and it does need a lot of other work .as for the heater box, the water control valve came in and this replacement valve mounts inside the heater box similar to the original and works better than the original IH valve ever did new . I've learned a lot about the old 62 to 68 heater boxes and I'll do a complete post about rebuilding them with part numbers and sources once I finish mine and can document it with pics .
it will be another week before I have time off to work on the truck again .
steve
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Scoutboy74
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The good, the bad and the ugly are all on display in this post. Great customer service offered by one company, total rudeness from another and stupidity in the guise of resourcefulness by the shop stooges. Using the starter to move a friggin' land yacht is so hard on the motor, but I'm sure they did it in very short bursts with adequate cool-down intervals. One wonders how they would have accomplished the goal had it been equipped with an auto trans. Did you provide them with any start up instructions?
overdrivesteve
Member
Hi,
yes I told them exactly how to start it, just pull the choke out as far as it is easy to pull, step on the accelerator, but don't pump it, then turn the key and it starts. The thing is, it's not very particular how far the choke is pulled. It starts easily if the choke is anywhere near its ideal setting.
I'm just very glad it did not break a starter or flywheel gear tooth. That's one expense not in my budget. Even if they didn't use the old "it must have been defective/broke before you brought it in here" excuse, and even if they paid for part of that repair, I'm sure it would have somehow been tacked onto the glass replacement bill and I still would have paid for it.
Steve
overdrivesteve
Member
Well, I feel like I'm hitting a very critical point in this build. I feel like I'm running around in circles and getting nowhere.
What's really sad is this build should be a labor of love, but its not, or more accurately, the part I'm now working on is not. I love to fix, repair, re-engineer to make better, improve and especially restore to better than new the functionality of old, vintage heavy-duty technologies like this truck. Then I like to use them. This is the 3rd vehicle I have restored in my life. First was a 49 Chevy 1 ton panel truck (destroyed on the freeway by the company towing it, second was a 57 Chevy 1 ton 4x4 panel truck, sold to buy a house that was lost 6 months later in the '94 northridge earthquake), and now this crew cab truck.
Despite all the very stupid things the po's have done to this truck, mechanically speaking (and that's what I love to work on) I really don't mind repairing it.
But to be successful, 4 things are needed - time (I only have about 1 day a week, but that will eventually get the truck done), knowledge (I'm willing to learn what I don't know, as long as someone is willing to help me), desire (I definitely have that - wish I could take a month or two off work and finish the truck), and money for parts (very tight budget. The windows, now installed, were about triple the initial estimate and the paint is more than triple, leaving me with no money for other parts to complete the build).
Initially I had it set up where I would bring the truck to the local vocational college where they do bodywork and paint vehicles for just the cost of the materials. It May take them a couple months, but the results are worth waiting for - I've seen the results when I made the appointment - the vehicles look like new. Unfortunately I just learned they don't do any vehicles over 15 years old.
I've got two estimates so far, one for $2600 and one for $1600. I love to work on mechanical things, but hate and don't know anything about painting. I'm proud of my mechanical work (if I ever finish any on this truck) but it is the paint and appearance that everyone looks at and appreciates, not how well it runs or stops or doesn't leak, etc). And that is what is getting me down at this moment. I prefer to do the work myself, including the paint prep and paint work, but I May need to pay someone else to do it as I have no shop, no water at the truck (other than what I can carry in buckets) and no power at the truck (except what the truck's battery and alternator can provide through an inverter).
I guess what it comes down to is do I pay someone else to paint the truck, or do I do it myself one day a week for the next 4 months before I can get back to working on the mechanicals? And if I do it myself, can I do it given my working limitations and have it look as good and finally cost less by the time I buy all the equipment, etc, than just paying a professional shop to do it right in the first place? Working on the truck is a labor of love, painting it is not, but by the paint is how it will be judged as I drive down the street. I'm not looking for showroom quality, only to be presentable so I no longer have my landlord refer to it as a pileos.
Part of what really has me doubting myself are the words at the paint store today - he'll sell me anything I want, and try to explain how to do it, but in the end, according to his experience, I will find it will be a total waste of my time and money and I will not be satisfied with the results if I try and do it myself, given my limitations.
So do I paint, and blow the remainder of my budget on paying someone else, or do I do it myself, which I won't enjoy doing, mostly because I don't know how or what results to expect, and hope to save money, and hope I will be happy with the results?
I started another post under "fabrication" called "ok, so how do I paint?" and you can see I'm bouncing all over the place there and not following along coherently as I have no idea how to paint and I'm getting such different advise from different people.
Well, as for updates, the glass is in, but I was hoping by now the painting would be started. But as it turns out, I still don't even know which direction I'm going with that.
Thanks for your advise and motivation.
Steve
What's really sad is this build should be a labor of love, but its not, or more accurately, the part I'm now working on is not. I love to fix, repair, re-engineer to make better, improve and especially restore to better than new the functionality of old, vintage heavy-duty technologies like this truck. Then I like to use them. This is the 3rd vehicle I have restored in my life. First was a 49 Chevy 1 ton panel truck (destroyed on the freeway by the company towing it, second was a 57 Chevy 1 ton 4x4 panel truck, sold to buy a house that was lost 6 months later in the '94 northridge earthquake), and now this crew cab truck.
Despite all the very stupid things the po's have done to this truck, mechanically speaking (and that's what I love to work on) I really don't mind repairing it.
But to be successful, 4 things are needed - time (I only have about 1 day a week, but that will eventually get the truck done), knowledge (I'm willing to learn what I don't know, as long as someone is willing to help me), desire (I definitely have that - wish I could take a month or two off work and finish the truck), and money for parts (very tight budget. The windows, now installed, were about triple the initial estimate and the paint is more than triple, leaving me with no money for other parts to complete the build).
Initially I had it set up where I would bring the truck to the local vocational college where they do bodywork and paint vehicles for just the cost of the materials. It May take them a couple months, but the results are worth waiting for - I've seen the results when I made the appointment - the vehicles look like new. Unfortunately I just learned they don't do any vehicles over 15 years old.
I've got two estimates so far, one for $2600 and one for $1600. I love to work on mechanical things, but hate and don't know anything about painting. I'm proud of my mechanical work (if I ever finish any on this truck) but it is the paint and appearance that everyone looks at and appreciates, not how well it runs or stops or doesn't leak, etc). And that is what is getting me down at this moment. I prefer to do the work myself, including the paint prep and paint work, but I May need to pay someone else to do it as I have no shop, no water at the truck (other than what I can carry in buckets) and no power at the truck (except what the truck's battery and alternator can provide through an inverter).
I guess what it comes down to is do I pay someone else to paint the truck, or do I do it myself one day a week for the next 4 months before I can get back to working on the mechanicals? And if I do it myself, can I do it given my working limitations and have it look as good and finally cost less by the time I buy all the equipment, etc, than just paying a professional shop to do it right in the first place? Working on the truck is a labor of love, painting it is not, but by the paint is how it will be judged as I drive down the street. I'm not looking for showroom quality, only to be presentable so I no longer have my landlord refer to it as a pileos.
Part of what really has me doubting myself are the words at the paint store today - he'll sell me anything I want, and try to explain how to do it, but in the end, according to his experience, I will find it will be a total waste of my time and money and I will not be satisfied with the results if I try and do it myself, given my limitations.
So do I paint, and blow the remainder of my budget on paying someone else, or do I do it myself, which I won't enjoy doing, mostly because I don't know how or what results to expect, and hope to save money, and hope I will be happy with the results?
I started another post under "fabrication" called "ok, so how do I paint?" and you can see I'm bouncing all over the place there and not following along coherently as I have no idea how to paint and I'm getting such different advise from different people.
Well, as for updates, the glass is in, but I was hoping by now the painting would be started. But as it turns out, I still don't even know which direction I'm going with that.
Thanks for your advise and motivation.
Steve
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Scoutboy74
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I think you've answered your own question within the body of your explanation...and I think you probably even realize it, at least on some level. Given all the givens, I don't believe you should attempt this job yourself. I have no doubt that you could do it satisfactorily if if You were better set up for it. Basic prep work (messy) can be done outside in favorable weather, but paint squirting really should be done in some facsimile of a booth in which the conditions (dust, insects, bird shit, overspray, temperature, wind, lighting etc) can be controlled at least to a minimum extent. That is a practical impossibility based on the description you've provided, even if you were able to get it all done in a short space of time, which you obviously can't. Furthermore, there's a better than average chance that an attempt of this nature where you are now would result in an eviction, which you already seem to be flirting with as it is. Think of the enormous mess, noise, and noxious chemicals involved. Then draw it out over two or three months. That won't make the landlord happy. An unsatisfactory or incomplete paint job in addition would be a pound of salt in the open wound.
How about friends, family members, acquaintances so on and so forth? Are there any possibilities you haven't considered or exhausted along those lines? Are there any legitimate services you might be able to trade to reduce your out of pocket expense?
How about friends, family members, acquaintances so on and so forth? Are there any possibilities you haven't considered or exhausted along those lines? Are there any legitimate services you might be able to trade to reduce your out of pocket expense?
Scooter
Active member
I tend to agree with what trever said. Not only the noise and all the dust and bird crap, there's also the fear of paint over spray on the driveway, rental house, neighbor's car or house. Kinda stuck between a rock and a hard spot with doing a lot of what you would like to do. I'm aware of the concern of the worst part of the rusting areas getting worse in due time. Push comes to shove, maybe just treating the worst spots, like the one bad area of the fender, and rattle can it to similar color to the rest of the truck.
If it was me, I would try and concentrate on the mechanical stuff first, getting it mechanically sound. While saving up for the actual paint job at a shop that has all the equipment, including a spray booth, to do the job right. My 74 Scout was like 5 different colors when I first got it, and drove it around like that for several years till I finally got around to painting it primer green as in my avatar photo. Just my .02 worth
If it was me, I would try and concentrate on the mechanical stuff first, getting it mechanically sound. While saving up for the actual paint job at a shop that has all the equipment, including a spray booth, to do the job right. My 74 Scout was like 5 different colors when I first got it, and drove it around like that for several years till I finally got around to painting it primer green as in my avatar photo. Just my .02 worth
kingkonger708
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I know a guy who will paint a rig for $900. Ping me for details...
overdrivesteve
Member
Thanks!
Too bad I didn't see your post yesterday as today I took the truck to a shop to be painted.
Thanks trever and scooter, for helping me to see the reality of the situation. The truck will be gone for about two weeks. I'll post some pictures as soon as I get it back.
I think I need to rename this thread to "the drama of one man's drive-way restoration" as it seems like I talk a lot about my journey in restoring this truck, but not much in actual results shown for all my work. It seems like when I read other's restorations, in one post they describe how they strip the truck down to the frame, the next post they've repaired/painted the frame, then in the next post they're trying to debug the fuel injection they just installed.
Yesterday, just for fun I was trying to see if I could use the grill guard that came with the snow plow on my truck with a stock front bumper, and add a set of heavy tow hooks. I believe I can and only need to fabricate one set of brackets to do that. (I need to keep custom fabrication to a minimum as I have no shop).
But I also discovered there is something very wrong with the brakes. Every time the front wheels are turned, the knuckles rub against the rubber flex brake lines. Just one more po thing to be figured out and fixed. There are so many po things to fix, this truck is scary to drive.
When I was restoring my 57 Chevy 4x4 one-ton panel truck, I used rattle-can urethane paint on its dash; dark color on top and light color on the bottom of the dash with a clear coat over all. It turned out very good. And that's why I initially thought I could just rattle-can the entire truck and have it look ok. Unfortunately, the only paint now available in rattle-cans in los angeles is rustoleum. So I'm not sure what paint to use on the dash and interior of this c120 crew cab. Hopefully I'll have that figured out by the time the dash is rebuilt, but I'm open to all suggestions anyone May have.
Scooter, if you ever make it down to l.a., I have a very nice nos studebaker part for your interior's dash you can have. I initially bought it thinking I would use it in my IH's interior, but have since found the correct IH part for my truck.
Thanks.
Steve
any idea why I can't get pictures to appear in my posts? All I can get are the links at the bottom.
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Scooter
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Understandable about the paint issues. Unfortunately the epa,especially here in kalifunkia, they have their hands in everything including what type of paint we as consumers are allowed to use. Sad to say that all the automotive paints available now is water based. The one paint shop you used before that ended up with orange peal was probably the beginning of when the new paint came around and the shop May not have known what they were doing at the time.
I'm not sure when I will be able to make it down that way. It will be a month or two before I'm able to actually drive one of my scouts. I'm actually over due with a vacation to go down there to visit family. When that happens, I'll look you up. If you ever get a chance to come up this way, you be welcome to come by
I'm not sure when I will be able to make it down that way. It will be a month or two before I'm able to actually drive one of my scouts. I'm actually over due with a vacation to go down there to visit family. When that happens, I'll look you up. If you ever get a chance to come up this way, you be welcome to come by