unhooked my horn now i have no lights??

I was was re-working my front light wiring and had all the lights working except my turn signals. i undid my horn wiring as it was in my way, and now i have no lights of any sort except my back brake lights. Any Ideas? Is the system grounded through that horn connection or the horn relay? My service manual is buried in a friend's garage in Sacramento. i could sure use a wiring digram for my 75 scout 11i'm sure that would help:icon_lol
 
It would help if we knew where you disconnected your horn wiring. Sounds like you were in the steering column since you were working on your turn signals. Make sure the long turn signal switch connector at the bottom of the steering column is well seated. Horn, lighter, emergency flasher, courtesy, brake, and tail lights should get there power off the battery connector which is not switched, most other lights get power through the ignition switch. Bad connections from corrosion/oxidation in the fuse panel can also cause all kinds of strange electrical problems. Cleaning up the rectangular bulkhead connectors a the firewall usually helps as well.
 
Hondo thanks for replying. I unhooked it at the horn itself, never touched anything in the cab. my turn signal switch is pretty new. basically everything worked well before i removed my front lights while re-doing my body work and new paint. It's in re-conecting my from wiring where the problem started.
 
Definitely check all of the grounds then. Believe the side markers and blinker/running lights are grounded with their mounting screws. Horn and headlights should have separate ground wires to the body. Should also have a ground strap/wire from the negative battery terminal to the body as well, usually to radiator mount someplace. All of the front light wires and horn go through the rectangular rubber bulkhead connector under the brake vacuum booster, so check how corroded the pins and sleeves are in that connector. Wire toothbrush and thin needle file work wonders there.
 
Hondo thanks for the reply. I don't have bulkhead connectors i re did them yrs ago with panel strips, marked all my wires and silver soldered all the connections and heat shrunk them. i've installed a remote starter push button start all new autometer gauges, and proper 2 gauge ground straps throughout. Jeff at IHO commented it was nice work. I'm thinking i rewired something wrong at my front lights. when i re did the body recently, the old packard connectors up front from my marker lights and side marker lights basicall crumbled in my hand so i cut them off thinking i'd just replace them with weather proof connectors when i re-did the wiring. Now 6 months into the project can't remember how they were wired. tried re doing them with what i think is correct although my wiring diagram may be wrong, my factory manual is in storage at a friends house in Sacramento, and i can't get to it.
So I have headlights and brake lights but when i pull the switch for running and marker lights meaning the first pull on the switch the fuse for mkr lgts blows right away. I'm thinking i've got a hot wire up front grounding to something. Any thoughts, and if i can't get this sorted out do you know anyone i can get help with in the area? i'm willing to spend the money to get it done.
thanks,
Gary
 
In an early Scout II, the parking lights, side markers and tail lights are supposed to be energized in both HLS positions, half and full pull. The only difference in full pull is the headlights are then energized in addition to all the markers from half pull.

Circuit 53-16 is the Low beam feed from the dimmer switch, through the firewall, to the driver side head bulb. 53A-16 daisies over from there to the corresponding terminal of the passenger head bulb.

Circuit 52-16 is the High beam feed from dimmer to the driver side head bulb. 52A-16 daisies over from there to the corresponding terminal of the passenger head bulb.

Circuits 11-16, 11A-16, 11B-16, and 11C-16 are the ground wires for the headlights and side markers only. The park light/directional housings being metal, do not require a ground wire, as their ground derives through physical contact with the sheet metal and fasteners. So the two wires going to each of the front park light/directional housings are both power feeds. One for the dim filament (park) and one for the bright (turn/hazard).

Circuit 58-18 is the power feed from the HLS to the driver side marker. Circuit 54-18 daisies from there to the driver side park light. Then 54A-18 daisies from there to the passenger park light. Then 58A-18 daisies from there to the passenger side marker. So 54 and 58 are actually the same damn feed, just daisy chained from place to place. And again it/they are hot regardless of a half or full pull on the HLS.

Circuit 56A-18 is the left turn/hazard feed, while 57A-18 is the right turn/hazard.

Those are all the associated circuits for the front lighting group.
 
Scoutboy 74 thank you so much for this info i really appreciate it. I've identified all the proper wires and marked them and my diagram looks to bear out waht you have said. I guess i just need to re walk through it and find out where i went wrong. One question what would cause the fuse to blow right away when i pull on the Headlight switch, the first notch for my blinkers and indicators? IF i pull it out all the way i have headlights high and low:)

Thanks
 
A short to ground. What lights besides the Hi/Lo headlights come on with the HLS all the way out? Tail lights? Front park lights? All four side markers? Gauge lights?
 
Awesome info from Scout boy! I'd probably disconnect wires 56, 57, and 58 at the panel strips you added, and see if the fuse still blows. That should help isolate the problem. I suspect the fuse won't blow, then hook them back up one at time, or use an ohm meter to find the offending circuit.
 
Scout boy 74 and Hondo thanks for your input. I actually went back yesterday and re-worked my wiring. I now have marker lights, parking lights, flashers, and headlights but still no turn signals and i noticed my dash lighst are out, but no more blown fuses. I don't have my front left side marker light but i think that may be a bulb, i'll check tonight. One thing interesting when i try my turn signal switch i get no indication on the right indicator on my dash, however my left turn signal light is on glowing constantly, however if i move the turn signal down it goes off. very wierd. Any ideas where to start to troubleshoot this?

Appreciated thanks very much.
 
Some things to know about your directionals and hazards...
While the same light bulbs are used in either case, there is a obviously a separate switch to activate them and a separate flasher fuse for each. The flasher fuses are identical and can be swapped as part of a simple diagnostic. The TS flasher is located near the fuse block and the Hazard flasher is more carefully hidden up behind the dash near the OIL/TEMP cluster.

Circuit 55-18 is the switched feed from the fuse panel to one side of the TS flasher. Circuit 71-18 is the switched feed for the backup lights when Reverse is engaged. Circuit 82-16 is the switched feed for the heater fan control. These feeds are all protected by the same buss fuse on the panel. Circuit 14C-14 is the hot feed from the IGN switch that feeds the buss fuse which protects those above mentioned accessories. Identify 55-18. Switch IGN to ACC position and probe 55-18. Is it hot? Circuit 55A-18 is the wire on the other side of the TS flasher that goes to the steering column gang plug. If you unhook that wire from the flasher end and probe the exposed flasher terminal, does your probe light blink on/off? If the 55-18 side is hot but the 55A-18 terminal doesn't blink, then your flasher fuse is no good. You can prove it by swapping the hazard flasher in its place, or you can take my word for it and just replace it with a new one. If it checks out good, then we'll need to go deeper. But let's pause here for now and let you catch us up to this point with your findings.
 
Gentleman thank you very much for your assistance. Turns out my left marker light was not operational because the ground lead had disconnected. Scout boy 74 took your advice and turns out the 55 had no juice so traced it back to the fuse panel feed and it was rusted and no power at the feed wire, the big # 10 gauge on to the fuse panel, cleaned that up real well hooked the flasher backup and all is good. markers, turn signals,headlights and brakes all working well. now I just need to sort out my dash lights:D all the gauges work properly, but no lights... but again many thanks.

see you next year for sure at the fall rallye
 
That's outstanding progress Gary! The dash lights are easy-peasy lemon squeezy. The next time I have some coherent moments to cogitate on things, I'll give you the same hand-hold walk through on those circuits as I did the others. And really its just a daisy chain feed. If you can get the first stop in the chain working, then its all downhill from there.
 
Circuit 62-18 is the feed from the HLS to the gauge lights. Its hot in both switch positions. It runs to a panel light gang connector where it gets distributed in the following ways...

62A-18 feeds the left side courtesy light on the bottom lip of the dash when the HLS knob is rotated.

62B-18 feeds the OIL/TEMP gauge connector, specifically the far left hand pin position of the top row.

62C-18 feeds the heater panel light.

62D-18 feeds the ALT/FUEL gauge connector, same as before, far left pin, top row.

62E-18 feeds the right side courtesy light on the bottom lip of the dash when the HLS knob is rotated.

62F-18 goes out through the firewall down and up through the plastic auto trans shift console to light the shift indicator window on auto equipped models.

62G-18 feeds the SPEEDO gauge connector, only this time it is the far left pin of the MIDDLE row.

Every one of those bulbs needs a ground to work. 11C-18 grounds the OIL/TEMP light via the far left pin, middle row. 11B-18 grounds the ALT/FUEL light via far left pin, middle row. Both wires originate from the same dash fastener. The ground for the speedo lights is provided via housing contact with the dash. No wire feed to the gang connector in this case.

If you've never had those gauge clusters out before to examine them, there are a couple things you should know. First, the battery should be disconnected before you attempt to remove the ALT/FUEL cluster, as the Ammeter is wired in series with the battery, so both of those gauge terminals are always hot. The dash is of course solid metal. Metal everywhere with exposed hot wires nearby is an invitation to arc weld, which can fry your gauge and let the magic smoke escape from your wires. Only after that gauge cluster is out and the ammeter terminals are positioned safely away from the dash metal should you reconnect the battery. Take the same precaution when you go to replace that gauge cluster back in the dash.

Next, the male pins for the instrument and light feeds are crimped to the printed circuit boards (PCB) and are extremely fragile and delicate. Great care must be taken when removing the plastic female connectors from those pins. Slow is smooth and smooth is fast. I like to use a thin blade screw driver to carefully work the plastic piece up evenly around the perimeter. Just don't let it get cocked to hard in any direction. Once free, gently feel and examine the pins to see if any are loosy-goosy. Loose pins can be tightened up with some strategic hot solder application. The PCB must first be removed from the back of the gauge housing for that job. If you do have to lay some solder down, just make sure that it doesn't form a bridge between any two pins.

If the copper traces in the PCB's are tarnished and yucky, you can shine them up with a pencil eraser. Just don't use anything abrasive, like even fine grit sandpaper. The stamped steel nuts that secure the gauge posts to the PCB are prone to vibrate loose over time, so its a good idea to check them for snugness while you can. The black plastic light bulb holders are a tension fitting with the PCB and can be rotated to a free position to examine/replace the light bulbs. The holders have delicate brass contact tabs on either side, one for POS and one for NEG, that must be in contact with the copper traces of the PCB when secured in place. There bulb filament has no polarity. It can be inserted into the holder either way, and the holder can be inserted into the PCB either way, as long as one brass tab is in contact with a NEG copper trace while the other is in contact with a POS trace. Its just a completion of a circuit.

Now, if you're feeling extra froggy, you might want to venture where not too many men have gone before. No doubt you'll notice that the metal gauge housings are painted blue. Blue isn't exactly the most reflective color in the spectrum. What myself and a few other folks have done, is carefully pry up the metal tabs that retain the plexi-glass covers so that we could completely gut those housings. Chrome/silver or even white spray paint is far more reflective than blue. Its like having bulbs that are ten times brighter, yet they're the same puny, little bulbs. Its an amazing difference. Why IHC chose to paint the hosuings blue is a real head scratcher.
 
In the fifth post you mention all new autometer gauges. Are you trying to light them with the dimmer switch in the headlight switch, or do you still have the stock gauge cluster and just added the new gauges elsewhere?
 
This may help with the dash lights. Its what I made up when I did a Kwikwire job on my '79. Still applies to a stock harness, but obviously the circuit numbers will be different.
Have fun! And remember, its always the grounds.
 

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Hondo i've been lighting them with the headlight dimmer and they have worked fine that way for a long time. I put those gauges in a few years ago.

Thanks,
gary
 
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