Ol' Yellar
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Michael Mayben
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Pull the motor on this bitch has been a real pita.
At first I though I could jerk it and leave the bell housing/tranny/pedal set connected and mounted to the rear mounts for removal after the body is off. But because it has a "wrap-around" bell housing that is simply not possible.
And...the power unit is meant to be removed only after the cab is removed!!! Standard practice back in the old days. If the front motor support stanchions were bolted to the frame instead of being riveted, it would be simple to pull the package straight up and forward...but since the motor is dropped into the frame with no cab in place and then moved forward into the insulator/stanchion unit at the factory, it takes way too much effort to pull the motor with the cab in place.
When the rig goes back together, the detailed engine will be installed in the chassis before the cab is dropped after painting.
Here's a pic of the trunnion-style u-joint on the front of the propeller shaft, complete with slip joint. This is an "open" driveline set-up, very unusual for that point in time when most vehicles had "closed" drivelines.
All four retaining bolts for the trunnions were only finger tight, even though they had "keeper" tabs bent over the bolt heads.
At first I though I could jerk it and leave the bell housing/tranny/pedal set connected and mounted to the rear mounts for removal after the body is off. But because it has a "wrap-around" bell housing that is simply not possible.
And...the power unit is meant to be removed only after the cab is removed!!! Standard practice back in the old days. If the front motor support stanchions were bolted to the frame instead of being riveted, it would be simple to pull the package straight up and forward...but since the motor is dropped into the frame with no cab in place and then moved forward into the insulator/stanchion unit at the factory, it takes way too much effort to pull the motor with the cab in place.
When the rig goes back together, the detailed engine will be installed in the chassis before the cab is dropped after painting.
Here's a pic of the trunnion-style u-joint on the front of the propeller shaft, complete with slip joint. This is an "open" driveline set-up, very unusual for that point in time when most vehicles had "closed" drivelines.
All four retaining bolts for the trunnions were only finger tight, even though they had "keeper" tabs bent over the bolt heads.
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Michael Mayben
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So all the clutch and brake pedal/linkage schnizz had to come off. I did not want to do that at this point but there is simply no way the drive train can be removed with the stuff in place and the cab mounted.
The original pedal set will be retained, but the brake pedal will operate a hydraulic brake master cylinder through the balance tube, a bracket to mount the mc to the frame will be fabbed and installed before the frame gets final paint work. The remote reservoir for the mc will be mounted under the seat along with the electrics.
This shot is the rear of the engine and the trans dropped down below the firewall so the package can be pulled forward to clear the rear side mounts.
The original pedal set will be retained, but the brake pedal will operate a hydraulic brake master cylinder through the balance tube, a bracket to mount the mc to the frame will be fabbed and installed before the frame gets final paint work. The remote reservoir for the mc will be mounted under the seat along with the electrics.
This shot is the rear of the engine and the trans dropped down below the firewall so the package can be pulled forward to clear the rear side mounts.
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Michael Mayben
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The motor had to go up and over the fenders and come out sideways since I got other crap in the shop also and I'm too lazy to move everything...again. Having the driver-side wheel off allows plenty wiggle room for the hoist, once the motor was clear of the mounts and the firewall, then it got pulled sideways.
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Michael Mayben
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Here's the nekkid motor hole. Ya can see the problematic engine support system.
The front engine support insulators are in good condition and reusable. The rear mounts use the same insulators as the fronts and they are also in good condition.
That's a ross steering gear and it will be removed and disassembled/checked at some point.
The front engine support insulators are in good condition and reusable. The rear mounts use the same insulators as the fronts and they are also in good condition.
That's a ross steering gear and it will be removed and disassembled/checked at some point.
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Michael Mayben
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The motor is resting on a dolly which has been used many times for all kinds of heavy objects. It's a simple "mover's dolly" with a weight capacity of 1,000lbs. From harbor freight...on sale for $9.95! I gotta bunch of 'em, including the smaller units which are 500lb. Capacity...great for tranny and transfer case storage.
Hopefully the rolling stock will be moved to the resto-shop next week so the shop space can be freed up. Then detail work on the motor can begin. The current plan is to simply clean it up, set the valves, and re-seal as needed. Compression is excellent so it's not gonna get opened up, but the pan will come down for rod/main inspection.
You race car boyz think "motor plates" are some recent development for the drag strip???? Think again...notice the "motor plate" front support system on this 1935 dinosaur????? It's sandwiched between the sheet metal timing cover and the front of the block...that bitch is why the motor don't wanna come out without pulling the body off! And...ya can see the "flame tracks" where this plate was flame cut out of sheet stock...by hand no doubt!
Hopefully the rolling stock will be moved to the resto-shop next week so the shop space can be freed up. Then detail work on the motor can begin. The current plan is to simply clean it up, set the valves, and re-seal as needed. Compression is excellent so it's not gonna get opened up, but the pan will come down for rod/main inspection.
You race car boyz think "motor plates" are some recent development for the drag strip???? Think again...notice the "motor plate" front support system on this 1935 dinosaur????? It's sandwiched between the sheet metal timing cover and the front of the block...that bitch is why the motor don't wanna come out without pulling the body off! And...ya can see the "flame tracks" where this plate was flame cut out of sheet stock...by hand no doubt!
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The grease cup and the oiler port are functional and currently operational. The gland nut for the packing is bottomed out, allowing one drip of coolant every 60 seconds or so when running.
The cooling system will actually hold 10psi continuous and engine temp is steady at 140f after an hour of running up and down the road and idling for an extended period.
The radiator itself is going to Mike over at eugene radiator who specializes in doing special interest vehicle radiators and does early Ford restos. He'll check it out and do an oem-type re-coat. I'm combing out the fins myself, they are actually in remarkable condition.
The cooling system will actually hold 10psi continuous and engine temp is steady at 140f after an hour of running up and down the road and idling for an extended period.
The radiator itself is going to Mike over at eugene radiator who specializes in doing special interest vehicle radiators and does early Ford restos. He'll check it out and do an oem-type re-coat. I'm combing out the fins myself, they are actually in remarkable condition.
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Michael Mayben
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Michael and tracy/American spirit auto are cuttin' a deal now, as soon as they shake hands ed's gonna get hooked to tracy's shop in springtukee so he and his krew can start the rest of the stripout.
Once the rolling chassis is completed, then I'll bring ed back upriver for the motor install and lay in the chassis-mounted wiring. Once I've completed that, the chassis will go back to American spirit for final paintwork on the body pieces and re-assembly onto the chassis.
The oem wiring on these rigs matched the extremely robust overall construction of that era. All primary wire was done in "armoured" conductors, which is plain old rubber-insulated copper primary wire that is sheathed in a spiral-wound steel conduit. Either single. Double, or triple conductor as needed for the various wire runs to loads. Some of the multiple armoured wire runs were inserted into a fabric sheathing for additional protection which also served as the "loom". Terminations for instruments, switching, lighting pigtails, etc. Was done in an early form of crimped terminations, with a red rubber strain relief slide over the junction. After all these years, all those terminations are really rotten and have all been badly hacked with all kinds of po virus shit.
So all primary wire that will be exposed or visible is going to be run in the same stuff, even though the modern version is pvc-insulated inside the armoured conduit.
This pic shows three types of the modern version of this stuff...single and multiple conductor armoured cable and "shielded" versions of armoured cable, single and multiple conductor. This stuff is real pricey and sold by the foot...depending upon gauge and number of conductors...up to $15 per foot....so the electrical system will have to be carefully planned out to avoid any mistakes or waste!
Once the rolling chassis is completed, then I'll bring ed back upriver for the motor install and lay in the chassis-mounted wiring. Once I've completed that, the chassis will go back to American spirit for final paintwork on the body pieces and re-assembly onto the chassis.
The oem wiring on these rigs matched the extremely robust overall construction of that era. All primary wire was done in "armoured" conductors, which is plain old rubber-insulated copper primary wire that is sheathed in a spiral-wound steel conduit. Either single. Double, or triple conductor as needed for the various wire runs to loads. Some of the multiple armoured wire runs were inserted into a fabric sheathing for additional protection which also served as the "loom". Terminations for instruments, switching, lighting pigtails, etc. Was done in an early form of crimped terminations, with a red rubber strain relief slide over the junction. After all these years, all those terminations are really rotten and have all been badly hacked with all kinds of po virus shit.
So all primary wire that will be exposed or visible is going to be run in the same stuff, even though the modern version is pvc-insulated inside the armoured conduit.
This pic shows three types of the modern version of this stuff...single and multiple conductor armoured cable and "shielded" versions of armoured cable, single and multiple conductor. This stuff is real pricey and sold by the foot...depending upon gauge and number of conductors...up to $15 per foot....so the electrical system will have to be carefully planned out to avoid any mistakes or waste!
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Michael Mayben
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This is the heart of the new electrical system...a twenty circuit load center which includes a relay(which we'll use for the horn), and two integrated flashers (one for turn signals, the other for emergency signals).
This is an outstanding unit from saint/kwikwire and sold by ihon. By far the most bang for the buck I've run across regarding any similar distribution center.
Will we use twenty circuits???? Hell no!! But they are there if we ever wanted to! The electrical system on ed will be modern schnizz all the way, including lighting that simply looks original.
Any typical street-legal ride needs only about eight individual fused distribution points. And because we'll be using the armoured wire runs, we need to be able to terminate this stuff with screw-down lugs...thus the version of the kwik wire panel we've chosen. And, this panel allows the inclusion of the oem ammeter into the system even though we'll be using a delctron 10si alternator for battery charging.
All the electrical schnizz will be mounted in the under-seat compartment, including a remote starter relay controlled by an oem-type foot-operated starter switch. Ed has had an oem-option electric wiper on the driver side only in the past, we'll install two similar aftermarket replacement electric wipers as he's gonna see highway duty onna semi-regular basis. And in front of the load center we'll install a master disconnect for the battery incorporating either a fusible link or a maxi-fuse for overall system protection.
All ground runs will return back to a ground buss mounted adjacent to the load center under the seat.
This is an outstanding unit from saint/kwikwire and sold by ihon. By far the most bang for the buck I've run across regarding any similar distribution center.
Will we use twenty circuits???? Hell no!! But they are there if we ever wanted to! The electrical system on ed will be modern schnizz all the way, including lighting that simply looks original.
Any typical street-legal ride needs only about eight individual fused distribution points. And because we'll be using the armoured wire runs, we need to be able to terminate this stuff with screw-down lugs...thus the version of the kwik wire panel we've chosen. And, this panel allows the inclusion of the oem ammeter into the system even though we'll be using a delctron 10si alternator for battery charging.
All the electrical schnizz will be mounted in the under-seat compartment, including a remote starter relay controlled by an oem-type foot-operated starter switch. Ed has had an oem-option electric wiper on the driver side only in the past, we'll install two similar aftermarket replacement electric wipers as he's gonna see highway duty onna semi-regular basis. And in front of the load center we'll install a master disconnect for the battery incorporating either a fusible link or a maxi-fuse for overall system protection.
All ground runs will return back to a ground buss mounted adjacent to the load center under the seat.
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Michael Mayben
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Tracy and krew came up and snaked ed today, he'll be livin' at American spirit hot rod and spa for the next few months. I'll be meetin' with tracy next Tuesday to see what the other side of his life looks like.
Goal is to have ed ready for Binder Bee 2010 in mid-July...then have him included with the ihcc chapter 30 folks display at steam up! The following two weekends. That offer just came up tonite and mikee ain't heard it yet!
And just as soon as ed rolled up the driveway, my new-to-me j&I industries flatbed (attached to a f350 junker) came rollin' in to take ed's place in the parking lot for stripout.
Goal is to have ed ready for Binder Bee 2010 in mid-July...then have him included with the ihcc chapter 30 folks display at steam up! The following two weekends. That offer just came up tonite and mikee ain't heard it yet!
And just as soon as ed rolled up the driveway, my new-to-me j&I industries flatbed (attached to a f350 junker) came rollin' in to take ed's place in the parking lot for stripout.
mendocinomichael
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Hey mm: don't forget about the fall gathering in Loomis, I'm gonna do my best to be there this coming year. I'll either be driving grandpa earl or uncle ed. It sure is great to have choices!! And, I said driving, not towing.
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Michael Mayben
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Congrats to mikee regarding making his first post on his own thread!!! Another red letter day! The boy is trainable afterall!
We're gonna have to make provisions on one of these pos for flat towing the other one. Either that...or trade that dam pc subaru for a car hauler rig that will pull both of 'em and have livin' quarters too.
I'm booking appearances now for the summer IH show season in the nw for both them rigs, then there are all those parades that ken and curt are lining up for IHSTO club participation.
The Sierra Fall Rallye 2010 will be a vacation for them rides, they'll finally git ta go home with ya! And no way you can show 'em at san quintin next fall when ya check in.
We're gonna have to make provisions on one of these pos for flat towing the other one. Either that...or trade that dam pc subaru for a car hauler rig that will pull both of 'em and have livin' quarters too.
I'm booking appearances now for the summer IH show season in the nw for both them rigs, then there are all those parades that ken and curt are lining up for IHSTO club participation.
The Sierra Fall Rallye 2010 will be a vacation for them rides, they'll finally git ta go home with ya! And no way you can show 'em at san quintin next fall when ya check in.
LittleLakeKid
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Finally a second voice of reason. Mr. Golick needs something that can go faster than 50mph and tow atleast 1ton.
With his admiration for IH and corn finder abilities, along with those deep pockets I think a IH cxt is a good choice.
With his admiration for IH and corn finder abilities, along with those deep pockets I think a IH cxt is a good choice.
Michael Mayben
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Welcome to the ihon krew! You must be that dude that mikee sez harasses him constantly about this IH crap!
To think that someone who plays with the most politically-incorrect iron on the planet actually drives a subaru is kinda pitiful don't ya think? Subarus are wonderful rides and certainly provided me with employment opportunities for many years....but since mikee ain't no dam earthmother, treehugger, or cat hoarder, it's kinda embarassin' to roll up to the casino there in hopland in one!
We're workin' now onna real tow rig for mikee so's he can drag all this crap around when needed. This is his next project/tow rig only this one must live at someone else's place...not here! Let me introduce wilbur the horse hauler to yawl...
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Harass! Awe nuts, littlelakekid is my mushroom gathering buddy, whose trying to swindle some old dude in ft. Bragg out of a 30's something IH 1/2 ton pickem up. Welcome aboard jim.
mendocinomichael
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I've got a much better solution than buying a car hauler rig. The solution is for me to locate a compatable lady here in the north bay and invite her to ride up to the bee with me in grandpa earl. Then we'll flip a coin to see who drives uncle ed back to ukiah after all of the festivities in the beautiful north country. Hey I might even bring some redwood logs with us to have milled during steam up.
With such a fun solution I can guarantee that both rigs will be in attendance at the fall rallye.
Now it's up to mm to get all of the mechanical stuff including; re-wiring and hydraulic brakes completed on uncle ed in time.
I hope he eats plenty of spinach in the mean time so that he will have enough strength to tighten all of the important bolts and nuts during uncle ed's rebirth. Seems there have been more than a few loose screws coming out of mm' digs. Like wheel nuts and the main jet on a carb rebuilo.
With such a fun solution I can guarantee that both rigs will be in attendance at the fall rallye.
Now it's up to mm to get all of the mechanical stuff including; re-wiring and hydraulic brakes completed on uncle ed in time.
I hope he eats plenty of spinach in the mean time so that he will have enough strength to tighten all of the important bolts and nuts during uncle ed's rebirth. Seems there have been more than a few loose screws coming out of mm' digs. Like wheel nuts and the main jet on a carb rebuilo.
mendocinomichael
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Hey mm, is that chew stain on the drivers door of your latest addition. And to think that the little "round one" moved uncle ed out in the cold to make room for that!!!
LittleLakeKid
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I'm almost sold on wilbur. If you can explain the chew stain and get mr. Garlick to finance 50% of the corn needed to get going it might just work. On the other hand michael+IH=cash fo clunkers.
Michael Mayben
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That chew stain is actually home grown northwest camo treatment. Some folks call it algae...some folks actually eat that shit (along with that other form of algae/fungus yawl call "mushrooms")
ed went back on the rack this week, got hiz proctological exam outta the way.
The tranny is now in storage, it's the predecessor to the warner t90 known as a "t-9". Initial looksee down in the tranny guts sez it's gonna git flushed and filled and then buttoned up.
ed went back on the rack this week, got hiz proctological exam outta the way.
The tranny is now in storage, it's the predecessor to the warner t90 known as a "t-9". Initial looksee down in the tranny guts sez it's gonna git flushed and filled and then buttoned up.
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