I don't have the answer as I wish I knew myself. I can only speculate but some day I hope to hear from an old IH factory worker who knows the actual correct answer.
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IH Parts America's 1971 Scout 800B
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I don't have the answer as I wish I knew myself. I can only speculate but some day I hope to hear from an old IH factory worker who knows the actual correct answer.
Got my btl - built to last hood lift strut kit for the Scout 80/800 from my brother Isa. After installing the kit in just under a half hour I must say this kit is worth every penny. Nice directions with color pictures made the install a breeze. And as a plus the hood goes much higher than before. These kits are sold at Isa's IH Isa's International Harvester: Scout 80,800,a,b hood lift strut kit Or they are also available on our online store - hood lift strut kit for 61'-71' Scout 80/800 - International Scout partshere are some pictures of the conversion.
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gotshirtz001
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I have an 800B (in similar condition) which May be receiving all the same treatment. Not looking to crawl over any boulders, just looking to build a good looking daily driver.
Thanks for the play by play.
Thanks for the play by play.
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DocG
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Jeff, I was hoping to have the 80 done before I deployed so I could do a product review for you on the CPT, but with problems with the sandblaster and other hold ups, it didn't happen.my early impression is; by following this thread I was able to bolt the system right on. With d27 axles there would not be a need to drill the plates for the larger u bolts. I did check my LST and found out I do have a d44 in the rear, that's why I needed the bigger u bolts. With the body and drive line installed the ride height is more aggressive then stock (obviously) and I have had a lot of positive comments. I have an old set of 33's on it now to make it a roller in the paint booth and they seem to fit fine, but I still have to bolt on the front clip and put in the dash. Not sure how much more she will settle. I hope to start a builders thread with photos while I am out here. Thanks for your help.
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Been thinking about ordering this suspension kit for my 1967 800 and I just have a couple quick questions. Have you had any issues with bump steer once the kit was installed? Also, I have the d44 rear and d27 front. I'm assuming the u-bolts will work with those axles. Let me know if I need to order anything differently than what is listed on your site. Any updates on ride quality and performance? The stance looks great. I'm hoping to get enough height to clear 31's nicely. Got my eye on a set of swampers in the 9.5" width so I can keep the stock wheels.
Thanks!
Thanks!
DocG
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Piglet,
just let them know when you order it what axles you have and they will send you the right parts. The mix up on mine was because we assumed that I had 27's front and back because it was an early Scout, but turned out that I had a d44 in the rear. Jeff sent the bigger u bolts out right away for me and answered all of my questions cheerfully.
I haven't driven mine yet (see deployment build up) so I can't say about the bump steer, but installation was a snap and the height is awesome! Not so high as to look like it is "lifted" so much but just right. Like they should have looked to begin with.
I love this kit and highly recommend it.
Doc
just let them know when you order it what axles you have and they will send you the right parts. The mix up on mine was because we assumed that I had 27's front and back because it was an early Scout, but turned out that I had a d44 in the rear. Jeff sent the bigger u bolts out right away for me and answered all of my questions cheerfully.
I haven't driven mine yet (see deployment build up) so I can't say about the bump steer, but installation was a snap and the height is awesome! Not so high as to look like it is "lifted" so much but just right. Like they should have looked to begin with.
I love this kit and highly recommend it.
Doc
As docg posted just let us know what axle combination you have and we will supply the ubolts to go with.
As for ride quality and such I have put quite a few miles on Stumpy(the Scout featured in this build) and so far everything is holding up just fine. I haven't noticed any bumpsteer and the ride quality is decent for such a vehicle. Our shop is on a windy road and the Scout absolutely hugs the road just fine even with the extra weight of the v8 engine. As with any forward shackle Scout the ride is a bit choppy but a future reverse shackle kit install should cure most of that.
A 31" tire should fit fine but the super swampers are not the best road tire out there(in my opinion) so keep that in mind when shopping for tires.
71mtnscout
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Nice 800 to start a build Jeff!
I have a 63 s80 that was "bastardized" by an IH dealer and has a 266 v8 in it. It's set back like the 152 was and has a 13 leaf spring pack on the front and doubled rear springs that are side by side on the rear. I havent really got to doing anything with it yet, but its on the docket for being "brought back to life" in the near future. Since it has a 266 in it would the springs that you used on the 800 be a good match for my 80?
I have a 63 s80 that was "bastardized" by an IH dealer and has a 266 v8 in it. It's set back like the 152 was and has a 13 leaf spring pack on the front and doubled rear springs that are side by side on the rear. I havent really got to doing anything with it yet, but its on the docket for being "brought back to life" in the near future. Since it has a 266 in it would the springs that you used on the 800 be a good match for my 80?
The springs will work on either a Scout 80 or 800. The online store somewhat breaks it down for you so that you can order your kit as needed.
CPT suspension system for 61'-71' Scout 80 or 800 - International Scout parts
Roughing it
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Great post so much great info. I plan on doing this lift to my 80 soon with the reversal upfront. Im torn on weather to do the CPT long travel front with the 80/800 rear pr just stick with the 80/800 kit. Pros/bemmifits to eather or any info on helping make that choice from some experance would help. 
. I drive my 80 basically stock everyday and I'm sick of bouncing down there road its not a Bronco lol.
Rob
. I drive my 80 basically stock everyday and I'm sick of bouncing down there road its not a Bronco lol. Rob
great post so much great info. I plan on doing this lift to my 80 soon with the reversal upfront. Im torn on weather to do the CPT long travel front with the 80/800 rear pr just stick with the 80/800 kit. Pros/bemmifits to eather or any info on helping make that choice from some experance would help.
Rob
The CPT long travel kit is more or less intended for offroad use with a Dana 44 axle. Yes the kit can be adapted to work with your stock Dana 27 or 30 front axle but for the type of driving you describe I would either stick with the stock style Scout 80/800 springs or install Scout II front springs. Personally for a daily driver I would go with Scout II springs for the front with our CPT reverse shackle kit.
Thought I would give you guys an update on Stumpy. Since the lift was installed and other work performed I've put a little over 1000 miles on the Scout and thoroughly enjoy driving it.
Through the years we have received a ton of requests for a disc brake conversion for the front Dana 27 or 30 axle in the Scout 80/800. We know that there are plenty of other retailers offering a front disc brake kit for the Scout but we found none offered it as complete as we would like to see so we developed our own. With how poorly Stumpy stopped it was time to perform a front disc brake conversion and at the same time also develop a kit that our customers could purchase from us and install for themselves.
After putting Stumpy up on the lift first thing was to remove the tires.
Next up the factory drum brakes were removed down to the spindle.
After that I spent a few minutes cleaning up both of the knuckles. If the knuckle seals were bad now would be the time to replace them. Mine were still in good shape so I left those alone.
Through the years we have received a ton of requests for a disc brake conversion for the front Dana 27 or 30 axle in the Scout 80/800. We know that there are plenty of other retailers offering a front disc brake kit for the Scout but we found none offered it as complete as we would like to see so we developed our own. With how poorly Stumpy stopped it was time to perform a front disc brake conversion and at the same time also develop a kit that our customers could purchase from us and install for themselves.
After putting Stumpy up on the lift first thing was to remove the tires.
Next up the factory drum brakes were removed down to the spindle.
After that I spent a few minutes cleaning up both of the knuckles. If the knuckle seals were bad now would be the time to replace them. Mine were still in good shape so I left those alone.
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With the freshly applied paint dry on the knuckles the first thing to install were the caliper support brackets. New spindle bolts are included with the kit that we offer as they need to be longer than the factory original bolts.
Next the calipers are hung on the support bracket to see where the knuckle needs to be ground on for proper caliper to knuckle clearance.
A few minutes with a flapper wheel on my 4.5" angle grinder and the necessary clearance needed was done on both left and right sides.
With the grinding done the new wheel bearing hubs and rotors were installed. Since my wheel bearings were in excellent condition I went ahead and reused those.
I then installed the new calipers and my original locking hubs bolted right back on.
A phone call to my local brake line builder and an hour later I had brake hoses in hand that both had the correct caliper and hard line end to make it an easy direct bolt in.
Next the calipers are hung on the support bracket to see where the knuckle needs to be ground on for proper caliper to knuckle clearance.
A few minutes with a flapper wheel on my 4.5" angle grinder and the necessary clearance needed was done on both left and right sides.
With the grinding done the new wheel bearing hubs and rotors were installed. Since my wheel bearings were in excellent condition I went ahead and reused those.
I then installed the new calipers and my original locking hubs bolted right back on.
A phone call to my local brake line builder and an hour later I had brake hoses in hand that both had the correct caliper and hard line end to make it an easy direct bolt in.
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With disc brakes now installed up front a proper matching master cylinder should be installed and is also why we include one with our kit. We already sell a disc front/drum rear brake master cylinder for the Scout 80/800 so one was pulled from the shelf and installed. In order to bolt in the master cylinder some additional clearance is required between it and the wheel well. A few hits with a hammer and the needed clearance was obtained.
To top off the install and our kit and to make sure everything works correctly a proper brake proportioning valve for disc brake front and drum brake rear was installed. Later Scout 800's originally came with a distribution block while early Scout 800's and 80's with the single reservoir master cylinder only had a basic junction block. Upgrading to a proportioning valve is a huge improvement over both performance and safety. Our kit will also include pre-bent brake lines from the master cylinder to the proportioning valve.
For easier access in installing the proportioning valve I removed the steering column. Since my bell joint boot was missing and the column was out I decided to go ahead and install one of our borgeson column kits.
borgeson steering kit for 69'-71' Scout 800a & 800B - new lower price! - International Scout parts
For those interested in our disc brake kit we have them available for the Scout 800a and 800B. For those with a Scout 80 or early Scout 800 with single reservoir master cylinder additional brake lines will be needed in order to perform the install.
CPT front disc brake kit for Scout 800 - International Scout parts
When installing disc brakes most don't know this but drum brake wheels are designed differently than disc brake wheels so usually they must also be replaced when the conversion is performed. Due to the way a drum brake wheel is designed it does not have the proper clearance for the brake caliper. Knowing this I decided to go with Scout II chrome rallye wheels. At the same time I had a fresh set of 31x10.50 goodyear wrangler duratrac tires installed.
To top off the install and our kit and to make sure everything works correctly a proper brake proportioning valve for disc brake front and drum brake rear was installed. Later Scout 800's originally came with a distribution block while early Scout 800's and 80's with the single reservoir master cylinder only had a basic junction block. Upgrading to a proportioning valve is a huge improvement over both performance and safety. Our kit will also include pre-bent brake lines from the master cylinder to the proportioning valve.
For easier access in installing the proportioning valve I removed the steering column. Since my bell joint boot was missing and the column was out I decided to go ahead and install one of our borgeson column kits.
borgeson steering kit for 69'-71' Scout 800a & 800B - new lower price! - International Scout parts
For those interested in our disc brake kit we have them available for the Scout 800a and 800B. For those with a Scout 80 or early Scout 800 with single reservoir master cylinder additional brake lines will be needed in order to perform the install.
CPT front disc brake kit for Scout 800 - International Scout parts
When installing disc brakes most don't know this but drum brake wheels are designed differently than disc brake wheels so usually they must also be replaced when the conversion is performed. Due to the way a drum brake wheel is designed it does not have the proper clearance for the brake caliper. Knowing this I decided to go with Scout II chrome rallye wheels. At the same time I had a fresh set of 31x10.50 goodyear wrangler duratrac tires installed.
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Stumpy is looking good! I noticed you have upgraded the drag link and tie rod hardware as well. Is that detailed in another thread? Mine seem fine for now but would like to have an option other than the stock hardware when it comes time to replace. I would love some easier to service parts.
Robert Kenney
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I see two champagne colored baby scouts but there could be three. 
looks good IHPA crew..
looks good IHPA crew..
I didn't mention the tierod upgrade as it was an experiment to see if we could market them for retail. I read on binder planet about using a Ford Bronco tierod and tried it out. After performing the install I felt that it was more trouble than what it was worth so I did not go any further. For the draglink and pitman arm we did end up marketing that part and can be purchased on our online store - CPT Scout 80 or 800 pitman arm and draglink combo - International Scout parts
Just want to say I purchased the suspension kit and I am very happy with it. It was the easiest install of my rebuild. I wish I would have waited a couple months for the brake kit but I already purchased one. Now that I ready through the thread I found something else I want, borgeson steering kit for 69'-71' Scout 800a & 800B!.
Thanks IH Parts America!
Jesse
Thanks IH Parts America!
Jesse