Hello,had question.I have recently came across a sweet 241 tilt valve inline six engine.very strong runner,and in great shape.it is in a 63 I h pickup,with a 3 speed man,yet to get the info one what trans it is.I have a 77 scoutii with the 345/727 auto Dana 20 set up.what I was wondering is will the 241 match up to the 727 auto bolt pattern,and the ins and out of the swap.I do no there are a ton of 345s out there to be had,but always loved the inline sixs.I also love my Scout so wanted to see if they could match.any info or input would be great. Thanks guys p.s hope this is the correct forum for the post
241 tilt valve/inline six?
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Scoutboy74
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This probably would have been better in the general tech or even gas engine section, but be that as it May, I'll take the first stab. I'm going to say that no, you will not be able to successfully join the engine and transmission combo as you've proposed. Reason being is the aluminum case which houses the IH sv8 application tf727 is unique to that bell pattern. That means you also cannot swap a tf727 from any non-IH vehicle and expect it to mate up to the IH sv8 engine.
I've heard of lots of engine swaps into the sii platform, but the one you propose is definitely a first for me. While sii's were available from the factory with an amc I-6, I wonder about differences in overall block length between the amc and the binder 6. I suppose anything can be made to fit if one wants it badly enough, has the requisite fab skills, and deep enough pockets.
I've heard of lots of engine swaps into the sii platform, but the one you propose is definitely a first for me. While sii's were available from the factory with an amc I-6, I wonder about differences in overall block length between the amc and the binder 6. I suppose anything can be made to fit if one wants it badly enough, has the requisite fab skills, and deep enough pockets.
Michael Mayben
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The transmission identified in this thread should be an ihc 13027 which is a three speed version for the borg warner unit. No way it's bellhousing will mount to an sv engine without a severe adapter!
Those are fine transmissions for their intended purpose and many are still in use. However, to consider using one in a 4x4 app in a Scout II is kinda...very weird.
There is no finer conventional automatic than the chrysler 727 used in the Scout II produced after the platform was intro'd as the 810.
Sure, there are folks who put some really strange power units into some really strange vehicles, so anything could be done in some fashion. But why??
The ihc-produced six cylinder engines are just as massive as the sv engines. Had that engine been "sized" to the smaller extent, then ihc would have used it. But in reality it wasn't, so in order to be able to offer a six cylinder option, the amc engine was chosen as it's much smaller overall.
Those are fine transmissions for their intended purpose and many are still in use. However, to consider using one in a 4x4 app in a Scout II is kinda...very weird.
There is no finer conventional automatic than the chrysler 727 used in the Scout II produced after the platform was intro'd as the 810.
Sure, there are folks who put some really strange power units into some really strange vehicles, so anything could be done in some fashion. But why??
The ihc-produced six cylinder engines are just as massive as the sv engines. Had that engine been "sized" to the smaller extent, then ihc would have used it. But in reality it wasn't, so in order to be able to offer a six cylinder option, the amc engine was chosen as it's much smaller overall.
This answers your question in a "reverse way"...
Same would apply for putting a IH 727 behind a bg241.
As michael stated -- IH 6 cyl engines are big (and heavy).
All you need to do is put a tape measure on the bg241 and see what space (you do not have) in your Scout II.
. I truely love the old school iron. I mite jus get it and find the proper I h to put it in.again thanks
Scoutboy74
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Its not so much a misplaced post in retrospect. I was a tad harsh in that initial assessment. This is one of those kinda odd, multi-faceted questions that probably could have been posted just as easily in one or two other places. None perhaps more or less correct than the other. Definitely thought provoking and worth asking though.
It would be a bg 241, a very durable engine.
All the IH 6's I've seen used an sae bellhousing, so as the others have said a torqueflite won't fit; and a flexplate search would be a king arthur and the holy grail kinda movie.
If the price was right, I'd snatch that sucker up inna heartbeat.