152 to 196

Outsatnding. Thank you Robert.

The 196 was purchased from IHPA. On new years eve, I called them to place an order for my own self, and actually had a chance to talk to Jeff regarding the motor. From my understanding, is that everything on the motor is oem straight off the sales floor. Which is what ya see in the photo op that I posted.

You are correct in the symptoms. The pvc on there is what came with the motor, but not sure of the function as of yet. During deceleration, only one or two pops and one pop on shut down, out the exhaust.

I set the timing to 10* before it was driven. I just realized this morning, as I was reading your post, is that I forgot to tighten up the fitting, for the line connecting to carb, on the vacuum advance canister on dizzy. I did plug the vacuum line off the carb while I timed it. If I have time today, I will tighten up that fitting. It was midnight and cold when we were driving it around the block.

If it comes down to any type of misfiring from ignition, I feal that the pertronix will help out. Along with a new coil. The current ballist resistor, which was swapped in from the 152, is broken. I told him about it right before I installed the 196. Plus, some of the wiring connecting the resistor, dizzy and coil aren't much better than the resistor itself.

With it being late in the night last night, and with my un-familiarity with this particular carb, I couldn't see exactly where the adjustments were for aire/fuel mixing. I'm used to worken with the v-8's with the 2 or 4 barrel poppers. What kind of adjustments on the carb I can do?

Also, since kingkonger posted it in his first post, would it be worthwile to just go ahead with the 32/36 weber swap? Or maybe a rebuild of the oem 1920 carb. I ask, due to that when this motor was origanally installed in later model Scout, it mostly sat and used on a farm. From talking with Jeff ismal, this motor only has about 19k miles on it. From the way it idles and driven hard, it's a strong running motor. From my own dealings with the great service from IHPA, and seeing the top quality builds they do, I don't have a reason to doubt anything I hear from them.

Btw - as I typed this, I forgot to mention that I used the dizzy from the 152. I have to dig up the one that came with the 196 initially to finger out why. Old timers disease. Would that be an issue?
 
Just going to quickly touch on your dizzy question at the end, leaving the rest for rk. The only way it would make a difference is with regards to dwell angle. If the dizz you swapped in is a delcotron, the dwell angle is different than what is spec'd for a Holley 4-popper dizz.
 
just going to quickly touch on your dizzy question at the end, leaving the rest for rk. The only way it would make a difference is with regards to dwell angle. If the dizz you swapped in is a delcotron, the dwell angle is different than what is spec'd for a Holley 4-popper dizz.

Thank you. I will double check the dizzy. Once I get a chance to pull out the original 196 dizzy, I need to remember why I did the swap. I might see if I can swap it back in, depending on my findings.
 
If the one in it now from the 152 is a delco, its worth keeping. They're better units than the Holley. Dwell should be 72-76* for the delco and much closer to 50* for the Holley.
 
Way cool. Thanks trevor. I'll keep ya posted. Ron gave me a dwel/tack meter not too long ago. I will use it on this 196/152 dizzy when I get a chance this weekend.

Either way, no matter which dizzy is installed, I'm kinda thinking that kingkonger May just go ahead with the pertronix upgrade. Along with the 32/36 carb upgrade. At this point it's basically out of my hands as far as what he really wants to do.

Funny thing. He was here last night with the final buttoning up of his Scout and asked me if it was my Scout, what I would put into this Scout. I replied with "a v-8" :winky:
 
A pertronix upgrade is always a smart move (actually, any electronic ignition upgrade is a smart move). Anything to get away from the wear and drift issues of points.
 
way cool. Thanks trevor. I'll keep ya posted. Ron gave me a dwel/tack meter not too long ago. I will use it on this 196/152 dizzy when I get a chance this weekend.

Either way, no matter which dizzy is installed, I'm kinda thinking that kingkonger May just go ahead with the pertronix upgrade. Along with the 32/36 carb upgrade. At this point it's basically out of my hands as far as what he really wants to do.

Funny thing. He was here last night with the final buttoning up of his Scout and asked me if it was my Scout, what I would put into this Scout. I replied with "a v-8" :winky:

Surely. Point gap will be the same for either, and precision is less critical for the 4-poopers than it is for the ocho's. If you did that part right, then this becomes a moot point, but still good to know. The reason for the angle difference between the two is due to the distributor cam size/shape.
 
Thanks for the feedback guys - I recently posted around this as well. I'll delete the old post since scooter has covered it here. Here is some additional detail to scooter's post:

I recently had a 196 swapped into my s80 to replace my 152 and have run into three problems. Would be interested in what I can do to troubleshoot, or any recommendations from the community.
1. On a limited test drive, I got a strange noise - a knocking sound that I can feel through the transmission by gripping the t-90's shifter. On a limited test drive this seemed to pop up after cornering (strange I know), and barely when accelerating. Sometimes it is smooth and there is no issue, other times it is significant. This one has me baffled!

The last two I assume are carb related - I'm thinking to just upgrade to a 32/36 instead of investing in a stock rebuild unless there are minor adjustments that can be made to make it run smoother:

1. At low idle it is running running Rich with smoke coming out of the exhaust. It is also "missing" at low idle, but as soon as rpm's get up a little higher it smoothes out and no smoke.
2. When I give it gas it hesitates, and it also backfires on occasion, sometimes when I turn off the ignition.
 
The last two I assume are carb related - I'm thinking to just upgrade to a 32/36 instead of investing in a stock rebuild unless there are minor adjustments that can be made to make it run smoother:

1. At low idle it is running running Rich with smoke coming out of the exhaust. It is also "missing" at low idle, but as soon as rpm's get up a little higher it smoothes out and no smoke.
2. When I give it gas it hesitates, and it also backfires on occasion, sometimes when I turn off the ignition.

Might be a good idea to re-read through some of the most recent replies, once again. With regards to what I said about the vacuum line from the distributor and the carb and what Robert kenney mentioned about the carb on the 196. Lots of good info posted already regarding your questions. Vacuum leaks are not any good, and there curently is one at the vacuum canister mounted on the distributor.

Plus, if you noticed last night when you where here in my space, the little smoke out the tail pipe went away the more I adjusted the linkage on the carb.

Also, Mark pietz mentioned what I talked about last night. It's usually the first thing I do on my own Scout. I went as far as showing you the pertronics unit that I just purchased for my yellow 72 Scout. And the pertronics will allow ya to get rid of that whooped messed up ballist resistor - which I also told ya about. Not to mention the coil being fairly crusty.

Just more things to deal with and consider when doing this kind of motor swap with a used motor from another rig
 
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