things to improve camber on dana 44

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diverdowntown

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Allright fellas,
I know that some of this has been covered. However im entertaining ideas on how to improve driveability on IH scouts. I understand that by rotating the knuckles one can accomplish this. In doing so do you have to replace the front driveline with a spending cv type unit to reduce vibration.
I also understand that by installing reverse shackle application you will be in essense rotating the axle in a manner that will improve your camber, thus possible, elliminating the need to do the knuckles? How much improvement with just the reverse shackles can one expect to receive? Any pointers would be great.thanks
 
Ya got yore "terminology" wrong here...the word you are looking for in relation to knuckle twist, shackle swap, spring shims, etc. Is caster. Camber is an entirely different "geometric" situation. But both factors are used in properly setting up a steering axle.

I know this is a very confusing and mis-understood topic...but spend some time in research...and not just on this forum. Acquire some basic knowledge from other sites that do explain this in detail and specialize in suspension/steering problems.

And "correcting" camber (as well as caster and toe) when trying to work a fresh steering axle is certainly possible and leads to improvement overall in dynamic stability and tire wear inna street-driven rig.
 
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Great,
thanks for all the intell on the the proper terminology, I had a feeling that was coming. Im also pretty sure you understand what im trying to do and what im asking about. /so, what kind of advise on the actual project at hand can you give me, if any.
Of course im always in the pursuit of knowledge and will continue in that direction regardless of any forum posting.

Kind regards
 
Re: things to improve castor on dana 44

Great, (castor not cambor)
thanks for all the intell on the the proper terminology, I had a feeling that was coming. Im also pretty sure you understand what im trying to do and what im asking about. /so, what kind of advise on the actual project at hand can you give me, if any.
Of course im always in the pursuit of knowledge and will continue in that direction regardless of any forum posting.

Kind regards
 
We've been talking about cranking up some basic "how-to" stuff to put on the forum, keep it simple and unencumbered by "comments". Kind of stuff all of ya ask about quite often!

And the knuckle twist dealybob is right at the top of the list! We just need to continue to mull this over and come up with the best approach, there are safety concerns which rear their ugly heads here and we gotta be real careful!

In the meantime, look through any thread here that might even remotely resemble what you are interested in, lottsa good stuff here regarding "caster" and camber"! Pineneedle john shore got trained quickly enuff!
 
Ok,
let me be more specific, as stated, I have a Dana 30 im putting in a 44, naturally I want to do all mods at one time. I understand that the Scout has 0* stock, which can get worse the higher you go with a lift? Is this correct, thusly making it handle worse. Ok, a friend of mine was saying that by putting a reverse shackle set up in your rig you'd actually rotate the axle a bit thus improving caster, is this true? I also understand that they make a ball joint thats will give you2-4* caster, is this true. How prone are you to damaging the transfer case should you not put the high speed, high dollar, high travel driveline?
Lastly, if I also choose to rotate the knuckles and have a reverse shackle, and go to a cv style cv shaft I'll have to rotate to what, 14-16*? If I dont go with a reverse shackle then I need to keep the knuckle to what 4-6*.
I guess im leaning more to the reverse shackles but I dont want to buy another driveline everytime I make a change, are you following me?
Any actuall tips would be great,
 
diverdowntown said:
ok,
let me be more specific, as stated, I have a Dana 30 im putting in a 44, naturally I want to do all mods at one time. I understand that the Scout has 0* stock, which can get worse the higher you go with a lift? Is this correct, thusly making it handle worse. Ok, a friend of mine was saying that by putting a reverse shackle set up in your rig you'd actually rotate the axle a bit thus improving caster, is this true? I also understand that they make a ball joint thats will give you2-4* caster, is this true. How prone are you to damaging the transfer case should you not put the high speed, high dollar, high travel driveline?
Lastly, if I also choose to rotate the knuckles and have a reverse shackle, and go to a cv style cv shaft I'll have to rotate to what, 14-16*? If I dont go with a reverse shackle then I need to keep the knuckle to what 4-6*.
I guess im leaning more to the reverse shackles but I dont want to buy another driveline everytime I make a change, are you following me?
any actuall tips would be great,
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get it done by a pro.
 
Re: things to improve castor on dana 44

diverdowntown said:
great, (castor not cambor)...
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It is *caster*. Castor is a bean. And it is *camber*, not cambor. Cambor is some little town in a distant country...

Imo, the best way to build a few degrees of positive caster into a Scout II d-44 is a cut-and-turn of the end yokes. Keep the pinion angle level, and you'll have an equal-and-opposite driveshaft/u-joint angle at the axle pinion and the transfer case output. For camber adjustments, you can use cosmos shims between the spindle and steering knuckle.
 
tiny yokum said:
get it done by a pro.
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Sounds like this is the best advice.... Pay him a few extra $$$ and he might let you hand him tools while he's doing it.
I'm not trying to be insulting, but this will come down to a serious safety issue if done incorrectly and I'd hate to read about you in the paper.

Best regards
 
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