Some sort of... stitches?

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BadIntentions

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I just pulled the 152 from my 64 Scout, and along the passenger side, between the rearmost cyls, nder the starter, is a series of what can only be called stitches. (I tried to take pics, but my camera batts died) its a long, meandering row of circular metal bits, with 3 longer looking stitches bridging the row. Is this some sort of repair done by a po? I am concerned this might be cause for a transplant rather than a rebuild. I will try to get pics this weekend. I will take the engine to a shop, to get their opinion, but wondered what you guys think?
 
Hard to tell without a good picture but could be.

Casting marks?:)
freeze cracks (common in east) :nonod:
the engine has let go a rod that cracked the block. :frown2:

post up pix and we will know for sure.
 
I took it to the machinist, he explained its a system that is sometimes used to repair cracks in cast iron, called metalstitching. In this case, it was done incorrectly. The fasteners used were too long and punched through the water jacket and allowed oil and water to mix once the fasteners corroded enough. He says the block can be salvaged, but the expense might not be worth it (pre heating to 900f, non electric welding, post heat, slow reduction, etc.) I found another Scout 80 here locally for free (rear end wreck, come and haul it) that I am gonna go take a look at, see if it gets to come home with me. I just got my first Scout a few weeks ago and now I might end up with a Scout boneyard :gringrin:

this disease, spreads almost as fast as as rust on a Scout.
 
Crack stitching is a common "fix" and most usually done with the motor installed since a tightazz owner won't pay to have it repaired correctly. Same process is used in an attempt to repair cracked heads (in the combustion chamber) and is something I'd never allow to have any machine shop do on my stuff.

That block could have very easily (and successfully) been welded by the right person, most likely with the engine installed just like the stitching process.

This engine is simply a candidate for a rebuild....that's done every day by folks who care about keeping these pieces of automotive history alive. Replace the block if need be and then have the replacement machined/prepped correctly.

And during the cleanup phase of the block at the machine shop, these parts must be "magnafluxed" in order to determine if any cracks are present which might impair engine performance/durability before money is spent needlessly on cleanup and expensive machine work.

A replacement 152 engine is very easy to find, one in perfect working condition is more difficult to obtain. Any "used" engine I consider to be only a core suitable for possible rebuild, I'd never install another used engine in any vehicle which I did not know the history of completely! I've been burned too many times to allow that to happen again.

196 engines (lay down or upright versions) are much more difficult to locate/obtain, but one should certainly consider those for a swap in a s80, I have one in mine now.
 
My machinist just called me, said he started magnafluxing the side with the stitches, and just stopped. Apparently the side of my 152 looks like a Christmas tree right now. The wrecked Scout didnt pan out, as it has been sitting for 15 years in 3 feet of mud and water. I'm pretty sure I could fit all that was left of that Scout into a 5 gallon bucket.

On the hunt for a new 152 block, or maybe a 196 engine.
 
Mikee dimock might still have the crapped up 196 pile described here for sale, but the freight would be horrendous:

http://www.forums.IHPartsAmerica.co...istons-196-engine-196-rings-engine-parts.html

Which resulted from this learning experience and several earlier learning experiences:

http://www.forums.IHPartsAmerica.com/I-h-s-t-o/1786-michaels-62-Scout-restoration-thread-2-a.html

I know of another source of much in the way of IH parts and rigs in the nashville area unless the county has condemned his place and taken it over.

And I have a close friend that most likely has either a 152 or 196 or both he May sell off in louisville, ky. Any of those would be close drive to check out if still available.

Put the word out that you are looking for this stuff, you will covered up with responses.
 
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