Oil Filter Came Off When Running!

Michael Dimock

Michael Dimock

IH Parts America Sales Assoc.
Changing the oil today and went to put on the new filter. For the life of me I couldn't get it on straight, and finally it decided to thread on although it felt kinda hard to thread. Tightened it down and dumped the oil in and turned the engine over a few times. Started it up and listened for about 2 secs and then heard a shhhhhhhhhh wrrrrrrrrrr and then the oil light came on. Backed up and looked under the Scout and saw oil blowing out everywhere and then heard a slight engine knock.:icon_mad: quickly turned off the engine and %^$*(e)(*&%$! Put down 10 oil pads and soaked the oil up. The f 'ing oil filter was all the way unthreaded so I took it off and it just spun right back on!:mad5: filled the Scout up with oil and discovered it lost about 3/4 of the oil. The engine was running for about 10 secs total for this incident. When I started it up there was a slight knock that went away quickly. My question is what could have been damaged during this oiless incident?:( :nono: it likes the new 15w40 oil better than the 10w30 as it runs quieter. We will see how the 196 does on a drive tomorrow.
 
All ya did was make a mess, no problem for the motor. The "knock" wasa lifter(s) that bled down, that will sound just like a rod bearing going south. A real hammer momentarily.

If it's quiet now, just drive on and call it one more lesson lernt!
 
Well, at least it shouldn't be a problem. Just a costly mistake. It was sad looking at $20 of brand new oil on the ground!
 
That's true oil recycling kiddo! Not this enviro-shit done today where it's turned into tofu or veggieburgers which then just clogs up the wastewater treatment plants.
 
At least you had the filter on. I was changing my oil in my explorer once and about 3 quarts in, I look to my left and see the new filter still sitting in the box. :icon_eek:
 
I've heard of some fram filters coming out of the factory without threads. Maybe you made the threads when you re-attached it.
I just hope your engine is ok.
 
Napa brand filter, so idk who the real maker is? The engine seems to be okay, except trying to locate some rotella sb 10w-40 oil for it seems impossible!
 
Napa gold should be a wix filter, that's what I use most of the time.

I forget the maker of the napa silver filters, it's not a bad filter, but gold is the way to go.
 
Michael,

just a quick note from the "oil tech" guy......

You mentioned looking for shell rotella t 10w40 engine oil.

Shell does not make a 10w40, but they do make a 15w40, maybe that's why you can't find it! They do make a 5w40 in the synthetic version.

A word of caution.....
The newer diesel oils are classified as cj-4, if you haven't been keeping up with the latest information, the cj-4 has lower additive levels than it's predecessor, ci-4, so with the older equipment you have, you really need the ci-4 (diesel rating), or sl (gas rating) oil for the most protection. You May, or May not be able to find some "old stock" out there somewhere on the rotella t, but it is going to be harder to get as time goes on.

Of course, that leads up to the fact that swepco's 306 engine oils all have the higher additive levels, and that's what I recommend for your Scout. Jeff stocks it in 10w30, 15w40 and 20w50.....check it out on the purchase page under "lubricants."

dick floryanowich
swepco
 
Yeah, I found that out after dumping in some 15-40 delo ci-4. My engine definitely increased in valvetrain noise! Gonna drain it out and put in some rotella 5w-40. Shell does infact make a 10w-40 but it is sb or synthetic blend and the closest napa that had it is in montana. I ordered it and came in 2 weeks later to pick it up and the guy was like, "oh yeah, we can't ship oil ups." so after calling around to damn near every store we could think of, I got my money refunded:dita: I am definitely going to go to swepco 15-40 once summer rolls around. I've read up on your posts and I was amazed how much I learned on the subject of oil.:icon_eek: that got me searching, and found that rotella is definitely one of the better brands for zinc content. Thanks and I will definitely be trying some of your product in the near future!:smilewinkgrin:
 
Michael...there is no way that a very simple "change" in oil viscosity affected "valve train noise" in any manner.

Yes...dumping in a straight 50 or 60 weight "might" inhibit lifter pump up after an extended period of non-op at low ambient temp...but once the oil pressure comes up and all air is purged from various internal components, the noise will subside. If the noise continues...then ya got a mechanical issue, not an oil issue.

Again...your current engine, like your "former" engine is a great unknown until it's torn down and carefully inspected. Until that happens, there is no tellin' what ya really have "quality-wise", same as for all those carburetors and distributors and transmissions, and transfer cases and hubs, and axles, and ptos, and etc.
 
Michael (mayben),

I was under the impression that michael dimock had Been running either 10w40 or 15w40, and that after he "dumped in" as he said, the chevron delo ci-4 15w40, he experienced the valvetrain noise. From that description he really didn't change the viscosity, so maybe that's where we are looking at it from different aspects. From the test results I have seen in the past, the delo ci-4 did not have as much zddp as the rotella t did......also, I've been told that it depends on which plant the delo was manufactured as chevron "adjusts" their chemistry from one plant to another, so the delo you get in portland May not be the same formula as the one you get in los angeles, or any other place for that matter.

I can't tell you the number of times I have heard of this (valve-train noise & wear) happening during the last 2 or so years since cj-4 has been out, I even know an off-roader who has a (forgive the french) "Jeep" and it happened to him as well. It can happen on marginal equipment as well as high performance, you can thank the epa for all the mess this has become as they took the stance on protecting the exhaust system instead of the engines with the cj-4 / sm graded oils.

Furthermore, when the diesel ci-4 specifcation was in effect, some majors were already in the process of reducing the amount of zddp in their oils, so even if the same brand was used, it very well could have been that one was from an earlier, more robust blend than the latter....without having quality control numbers on the batches there's no sure way of telling.

Regards,
dick
 
I fully understand what you are saying dick...but knowing a bit about michael d's various motors, and applying the "generic" logic regarding IH cam/cam bearing/lifter/rocker/valve train systems on the IH motors which have set non-rotated for years and are then revived, I just can't justify what he's describing as an "immediate" incident that has anything to do with oil.

And you are correct about "regional" lubrication media blends...I have been fortunate to spend several days at various times attending the training sessions for stuff like this at the chevron "tech center" in the chitown 'burbs (hilsdale???). Parts of that training involved how that was accomplished, complete with observations of test data and actual tests in progress in the labs there...up to the point the poop became proprietary, then the curtains were drawn!
 
Michael (mayben)

......up to the point the poop became proprietary, then the curtains were drawn!

Once again your eloquence of the descriptives has shone through!
 
swepco said:
michael (mayben)

......up to the point the poop became proprietary, then the curtains were drawn!

Once again your eloquence of the descriptives has shone through!
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Dick...consider the copyright on that homlee to be transferred to you for yore exclusive use in perpetuity!

If there is anything a sales dude needs it's a hook! And sumday I'll 'splain my "roadlizrd" handle if ya ain't figgrd that out already!!!
 
I've got a pretty good handle on your "hook" - maybe we can spend some more time discussing it when you are down here visiting......when will that be again?
 
swepco said:
I've got a pretty good handle on your "hook" - maybe we can spend some more time discussing it when you are down here visiting......when will that be again?
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We're "thinkin" on a anutha trip south dick...maybe late feb>mid-March??? Waitin' for norma to re-stock the supply barn for bakalava! Did ya know ya kin od on that stuff if ya eat two pounds at one sittin'??? Norma needs ta pack that stuff with a warning, it'll scruu with ya jes' like inhalin' carb cleaner or high sulfur gear oil!

But it feels sooooooo guud!
 
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