Keeping the Rain Out

[Dealbreaker74]

Greetings to my favorite Scout community!
I'm looking for ideas to seal the doors of my sii. The floor gets soaking wet if I leave it out during a storm. What I see so far is this:
the weatherstripping as it goes along the floor (door's bottom edge) is pretty crappy. My thought is the water comes down the window (past the equally crappy felts), collects in the door skin until it can pore out the drain slots that face said weatherstripping. I guess its then wicking into the carpet and causing the puddles.
However, even when all of the weatherstripping and window felts were newly replaced (10 yrs or so), I still had this problem. So before I start throwing money at this, is there anything else I might be missing? Obviously the old stuff needs replacing, but if I'm buggered after that, what's the point?
Btw, the gas struts for the liftgate from ihon are worth every penny. No leaks or rattles now. A great work around for those stock poss.

 

[DAGATOR16]

Same problem here. Still fighting the problem. I think the water goes from the roof gutter drains into the door jam hinge area. The water finds its way into my cab/carpet by draining in the welded area just below my vents (where the floor meets the vent wall).

I will have to remove all the carpet and floor covering before I can get a good look at the problem area. If you can get to it, please take a pic and post it for me. I'm just not ready to tear my floor up yet.
Clay

 

[RobertC]

I do not have a Scout, but I do have a "d" t/a.

Here are a few "ideas":

I think some leaks are from the windshield seal / gasket.

Another area is the cowl -- have you located the "drain(s)" and cleaned them out ( I used a length of wire with a "hook" bent on one end.)

clean out the area below the fresh air vents... No, I have not done this on my t/a (probably should), but I have done it a couple time on my corvair -- lots of crud...

Remove the door sill plate and clean out the "trough". There should be "dum-dum" / putty / "metal lip" to keep water from running back into the interior.

Doors -- the doors in my t/a have drains (2 each) in the bottom. They are located "against" the inside lip of the bottom of the door. I use a very small, thin screw driver ( but a lentgh of wire will work, also) to clean the crud from the small openings until water runs out.

 

[Dealbreaker74]

Yeah, copy that Robert. The truck is fairly fresh off a repaint where I did go through the cowl drains and windshield seals. But I copped out on the door rubbers and re-used them. Pretty sure that's where I'm getting boned, because as you say, the door drain slits butt against this rubber seal. And if its cracked like mine are, then you end up filling the inside of the seal with water until it overflows and wicks into the carpet. The door slits are clear obviously.
I haven't shopped for the door seals in a while. Not sure I ever tried to find new window felts. Anyone know if our ihon boys stock this stuff (window felts I mean)? Rainy season is not over in so cal yet....
And I'll post a pic of my '79's floor for a visual. Its not the truck I'm asking about, but its had the same problem at some point...

 

[Michael Mayben]

Finding water leaks (and as Robert sez, the IH designs resulted in many, thus the rust issues), involves two persons, one inside watching for the water entrance with the dash and glove box pulled out of the way, and another person outside using a water hose in a controlled manner!

Every seam where two panels/stampings were joined is suspect, IH did a horrible job of sealing the welded/fabricated seams. Some of the seams are well hidden in the cowl fabrication and to access ya May have to remove the fender(s).

The entire windshield frame and rubber seal design is a conduit for water entrance, thus the factory-induced rot sitch. Pickalls have the same issues, though the windshield frame design is different, but end result is they all rot due to water penetration in conjunction with organic debris/dirt accumulation that turns acidic when dosed with rain water.

 

[RobertC]

.... The door drain slits butt against this rubber seal.

I guess this is a difference between Scout and "d" series:

I checked and the door drains (3, actually) are 2 inches or so "outside" of the door weatherstrip. So, water is not trapped in the door when the door is closed.

I second michael's statement about the construction (seam welds) of IH vehicles.

I forgot about the windshield frame that michael mentions.

One easy check right after a rain is to reach your hand up behind dash and feel the "top" of the bottom metal strip of the dash. I would expect you to find water / dampness "sitting" there.

Actually, I had problems with the rear windows leaking in my t/a (purchased new). I thought it was an "alignment" issue.

I finally put a "bead" of silicon between the rubber window gasket and the metal on both sides....

 

[Craig]

I finally put a "bead" of silicon between the rubber window gasket and the metal on both sides....

If the silicon worked great as a dry Scout is a happy Scout.

I would recommend using urathane products. The local windshield shop sell a tube for $10. Way more than I needed. $5 bucks and he will run a bead for ya. The stuff he uses never drys, and stays a bit tacky. The auto body shops sell seam sealer for other areas and urethane that does get hard like silicon.
Jeff at ihon sells door gasket by the foot. I bought some a while back and it's very nice stuff. As long as the metal lip is still there to attach it to. The seal for the top might need to be replaced too. Jeff has those, but imho the reproduction version is not as good as the stock one.

Micheal is right, you might have 2 or 3 places that need to be addressed.

 

[Dealbreaker74]

First of all, thanks to everyone who has chimed in. I love this place!
As far as "window", are we talking about the door windows (that crank)? And if yes, then I guess what you are describing is what I was calling window felt. In other words, a seal or wiper to keep water from pouring down the glass into the door. Using the hose trick mayben describes, I was able to determine this is the biggest offender right now. There May be other leaks, but this is far and away the main one. Once the door fills with water, it pours out of the slits in the bottom, right into the door seal on the body. And since its all cracked out and disintegrated, the waterfall saturates the door sill and getting into the carpet.
So if Jeff sells that product, it sounds like that (and door weatherstripping) is what I need.

 

[Craig]

I was at the fall show and was talking with Isa and he showed me some window felts and rubber seals for the doors. Felt for the inside and rubber on the outside. ( the urethane was for the windshield) I don't see the felts on the website.