Is the 4cyl worth keeping

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Jaxx008

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I just bought a 69 800a with 4cyl engine. The truck is to be a project for my sons and I. They are 12 & 11 and this will be there truck when they can drive. I like have always like scouts but never owned one. The purpose of the whole project is to teach the boys about cars and working on them.

The plan will include wiring, new brake and fuel systems, paint and body and of course engine/transmission work. The goal is a reliable daily driver with enough creature comforts (ac/stereo) to be a "cool" teenager truck, while safe/reliable enough for me to not worry about them.

To this end, several friends have already suggested ditching the 4cyl engine. I have no desire to rebuild the small engine if it will not turn 33s. Any opinions on keeping the 4cyl, swapping in an IH v-8, or just going sb Chevy would be appreciated.
 
Welcome to ihon! Wherebouts in tejas yawl be? I'm fifth gen texian outta foat wuth myself but I kain't stand that weather down yonder!

There is a lotta potential "power" to be had out of the 152/196 motors. You cannot compare these engines to modern high-rev ricerocket four bangers, these are truck motors and prime movers.

Several of us are playing with this stuff right now, myself...I'm doing a stroker 152 that we project to come in at an ez 250hp:

http://www.forums.IHPartsAmerica.com/gas-engine-tech/1144-ultimate-IH-fourbanger.html

And with that motor goes this intake system once finalized, the prototype is being run on a 196 right now:

http://www.forums.IHPartsAmerica.com/fabrication/846-IH-152-196-intake-manifold-rework.html

Along with this for an ignition system, everything that applies to an IH sv engine applies to the 152/196 except the dwell factor and timing the engine off cylinder #1:

http://www.forums.IHPartsAmerica.com/ignition-tech/644-ignition-system-performance-upgrades.html

And to be more specific, I plan a variation of that system using a crank trigger and no distributor:

http://www.forums.IHPartsAmerica.com/ignition-tech/1748-crank-trigger-ignition-system.html

If that don't float yore boat, I think the perfect engine/driveline swap package is a german Ford 2.8 v6 package out of a Bronco II. Super-light weight, those motors can make an ez 350hp onna carburetor (Holley 2300) and the package is very small and prolly 200lbs. Lighter overall than the current IH four cylinder power unit/tranny setup.
 
Michael thanks for the wealth of information. I read through the first page of all your threads and was shocked and or blown away at all of the stuff you are doing.

Lubbock tx is home now, but soon back to the metroplex as that is where my job is.

I don't even know which 4cyl engine I is in the Scout yet. I bought the truck after having only seen it at a friends shop in san angelo. I hope to get it home soon and start tinkering.

As this is my boys first endeavor into the world of wrenches, we are going to keep work straightforward. This is a garage project and I don't have a dedicated shop, so stroking a 4cyl with all of the machine work is not an option. But if the motors make decent power, and can handle bigger tires and air conditioning then maybe we can keep it. I do like the coil pack idea, since that would be teaching the boys about what is in production now. The v-6 Ford also sounds good, would you get a complete Bronco II engine/transmission/t-case or motor only?

I can tell this is going to be a great learning experience for me too! I look forward to the adventure.

Shel
 
A '69 could certainly have a 196! The base engine was 152. And an amc 232 six-banger was also an option. The 266 v8 Scout 800 is somewhat different under the hood to allow the install of that motor, swappin' an IH sv engine into a four cylinder 800 is a bitch, I'd never attempt another one!

The Scout 80 I'm doing had a 196 swapped in many years ago, those are a significant improvement power-wise over the 152, especially when combined with the four speed trans. The t90 three speed is a major impediment to overall performance, the ratio gaps are huge and it's impossible to keep the 152 on the pipe!

The 2.8l Ford package would include the complete trans/transfer case package. But it needs to be the german motor, not the other pos!

We've developed alotta info here on the forum for the Scout 80 and Scout 800, with much more to come!

So once you and the boys git yore hands on the rig, we'll be able to help yawl id exactly whatcha got! There were many Scout 80 and Scout 800 units sold in the san antone/san angelo/hill country area back in the day as they were considered somewhat "upscale" as compared to a Jeep for use in that kuntry by the ranchers and hunters.

Lubbock??? I grew up in abilene and pop officed outta lubbock so I know the story there! My daughter and grands are up close ta texarkana now. We gotta bunch of IH enthusiasts in tejas...yawl are not alone! I'ma texas music fanatic, and as ya know, lubbock is the cradle of texas music!
 
Yeah, we are excited to go get the truck, hopefully this weekend, but there is snow in texas so maybe not. I have read the 8 steps for the projects and thought it was right on track.

I know so little about scouts, and am in the infancy stages of planning the build, which is why I posted asking about the 4cyl to begin with. I have built a few trucks and my best rig was a 75 blazer with a hot 383 small block. I don't want the boys to have that kind of power for their first truck, but I want something that will drive 70 on the highway and turn the tires in the mud. The whole point of building one is to have fun right?

Have watched the whole extreme 4x4 build and they started with going v8 so I thought I would kick it out there. I was going to lean toward the sb Chevy only from a cost/availability stand point, but now you have me kind of hopeful for the 4cyl. I keep reading about sv engines...what the heck is it. I just don't know enough of the jargon/language on IH stuff.
 
In the IH lexicon, the "sv" designation is kinda like "sbc" to the rest of the car world!

Sv stands for "small v8 (gasoline)". IH also built a line of "medium v8" (mv) and "large v8" (lv) engines that were used in heavy duty trucks, ag equipment, stationary engine apps (such as auxiliary power units). Those engines while somewhat greater displacement, were also huge in overall size and weight as compared to a "sv". They have no use in any light duty vehicle, are very slow turning and somewhat inefficient in the use of energy!

The sv engine lineup was introduced with the 266 originally, that grew into the 304, and later the 345 and 392 motors were added to the same line-up (longer stroke). Lottsa interchangeability amongst the various motor parts, but the 266 and 304 are "short" deck blocks.

The 152 four cylinder is considered somewhat to be the "passenger side" of a 266/304,...the 196 is the passenger side of a 392. But while they do share some parts with the sv engines, they are not simply "half a v8" like we slang about around here, it's much more complicated than that!

When the 196 was offered in the Scout II platform, the motor was "tilted" upright in a more conventional manner, thus many of the Scout II four cylinder peripheral components are not interchangeable with the earlier "lay down" versions, so ya gotta be real careful when looking at used or boneyard parts for the fourbangers!

The best compilation/reference I've ever seen regarding the "Scout" (Scout 80, Scout 800, and Scout II) is a currently available set of all "road test" articles ever published from 1961>1980:

"International Scout gold portfolio, 1961-1980" published by brooklands books out of england and available through any bookstore or online. Isbn 1 85520 3057.

Much of the info is gleaned from early ihc-produced press releases and marketing material. The rest of it is reprints of road tests from all the crop of special interest magazines back in the day. Much of it is typical magazine road test smokeblow and bullshit, but there is alotta accurate technical info contained also, ya just gotta be able to separate the bs from the facts! And that only comes from experience in dealing with all this junk over time!

You and the boys need that book to begin your learning sequence!
 
Just ordered the "Scout gold porfolio" and the service manual from amazon. Thanks for the advice, I was going to ask what books I should get so feel free to offer more suggested reading.
 
This is a great thread with some intellegent guidance. I have been trying to read up on my 80 and it's driveline package. I was condiering some of the same changes but I really want to keep and rebuild the original engine too. Since I just built a 383 stroker for my Chevy truck, I May look att hte same for the 152. Thanks!
 
Michael Mayben said:
Welcome to ihon! Wherebouts in tejas yawl be? I'm fifth gen texian outta foat wuth myself but I kain't stand that weather down yonder!

There is a lotta potential "power" to be had out of the 152/196 motors. You cannot compare these engines to modern high-rev ricerocket four bangers, these are truck motors and prime movers.

Several of us are playing with this stuff right now, myself...I'm doing a stroker 152 that we project to come in at an ez 250hp:

http://www.forums.ihpartsamerica.com/gas-engine-tech/1144-ultimate-IH-fourbanger.html

And with that motor goes this intake system once finalized, the prototype is being run on a 196 right now:

http://www.forums.ihpartsamerica.com/fabrication/846-IH-152-196-intake-manifold-rework.html

Along with this for an ignition system, everything that applies to an IH sv engine applies to the 152/196 except the dwell factor and timing the engine off cylinder #1:

http://www.forums.ihpartsamerica.com/ignition-tech/644-ignition-system-performance-upgrades.html

And to be more specific, I plan a variation of that system using a crank trigger and no distributor:

http://www.forums.ihpartsamerica.com/ignition-tech/1748-crank-trigger-ignition-system.html

If that don't float yore boat, I think the perfect engine/driveline swap package is a german Ford 2.8 v6 package out of a Bronco II. Super-light weight, those motors can make an ez 350hp onna carburetor (Holley 2300) and the package is very small and prolly 200lbs. Lighter overall than the current IH four cylinder power unit/tranny setup.
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Silly question but can you direct me to the posts referenced with kinks is this thread for the stroker thread and fabricated intake thread
 
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