Intermittent wipers

Craig

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Since I looking at my wiper motor, I thought about adding an intermittent wiper switch too.

https://www.newportwipers.com/optacc.php

These guys also offer motors for old IH trucks, but did not see a Scout II option.

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I called and found out there switch only works with their motor, but they did say they were proto typing new applications an the Scout project was currently on the back burner. They said call back in February and they might have something. I took that as there is little demand for them.

Next would be a viable junk yard transplant.

Edit this wiring diagram for Ford trucks
 
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Timely Craig!

I have one of those "converted" wiper delay switches from Mike epps/scoutranch a guy just sent me for "testing". He says the wiring callouts on it don't match the wiring in his original sii. I've not yet got into that as I don't have a functional sii here right now. And the wiper switching/wiring onna fullsize rig is different, I looked at that two days ago on my own junker truck. So maybe the two different wiper systems used in sii had two different wiring runs???? Don't know, it's kinda way down on the to-do list right now!

But...scoutboy74 here has got this deal already figgrd out using boneyard Ford schnizz. But ya gotta catch him when he's in the sauce to explain. Hell, if trever can figgr this shit out drunk and upside down inna ditch...anyone can!

Don't know what Jeff uses for this function, he might already have a setup also. I'm not impressed with the scoutranch deal, it's cobbled up using hot melt glue.

Back in the guud old days, we could buy a wiper delay system off the wall at 7-11/pepboys!!! Sold for around $7.95 and mounted under the dash. My current wiper delay is built into my left hand fingers.
 
We bumped haids Craig! Trev tells me that are only a few of the Ford-pattern components that will work on the IH switch/wiper motor. He May have all this schnizz copyrighted now, but the sob owes me so so call in my chips and spend 'em yoreself.
 
The intermitent wiper deal is fairly standard as far as the information needed to build a control. Pulse the motor to get it off the park stop switch and start timing again after the park switch opens. Real simple timer/relay logic. Another facet of my day job is building relay and ladder logic for automation and robotics.

Should we develope a system for our selvs? Just throughing that out if it is needed.

Robert
 
I'm in no big hurry, just trying to see what my option are. Jeff or Chad told me the Scout wiper motors don't have a park:icon_eek: maybe thats the reason for the lack of info on intermittent wipers for Scout.
 
Jeff or Chad told me the Scout wiper motors don't have a park:icon_eek: maybe thats the reason for the lack of info on intermittent wipers for Scout.


When you switch the wipers off where do they stop? I believe that is a saftey standard or requirement. I could be wrong. If so one could be added.
 
timely Craig!

I have one of those "converted" wiper delay switches from Mike epps/scoutranch a guy just sent me for "testing". He says the wiring callouts on it don't match the wiring in his original sii. I've not yet got into that as I don't have a functional sii here right now. And the wiper switching/wiring onna fullsize rig is different, I looked at that two days ago on my own junker truck. So maybe the two different wiper systems used in sii had two different wiring runs???? Don't know, it's kinda way down on the to-do list right now!

But...scoutboy74 here has got this deal already figgrd out using boneyard Ford schnizz. But ya gotta catch him when he's in the sauce to explain. Hell, if trever can figgr this shit out drunk and upside down inna ditch...anyone can!

Don't know what Jeff uses for this function, he might already have a setup also. I'm not impressed with the scoutranch deal, it's cobbled up using hot melt glue.

Back in the guud old days, we could buy a wiper delay system off the wall at 7-11/pepboys!!! Sold for around $7.95 and mounted under the dash. My current wiper delay is built into my left hand fingers.

Here's my dos centavos on this subject. I gotta choose my words carefully, 'cuz I don't have the assistance of sailor jerry at the moment. That boy has a way of makin' the words flow like water.

I was able to easily incorporate j/y components including the wiper switch and delay brain from a late 80's furd p/u into my '74 sii utilizing the existing IH harness. I believe any full-size fomo p/u or Bronco originally equipped with an in-dash wiper delay control from m/y '78 thru m/y '91 would be a suitable donor. It's possible that fomo passenger cars from as early as m/y '72 thru whatever year they swtiched to a non-rotating dash knob design (guessing early to mid 80's?) May also have some potential. If the switch is dash-mounted with a shaft that rotates counter clockwise in addition to the two clockwise positions, it should work. The '92 body style change in the trucks marked the end of the dash-mounted wiper-switch in favor of the integrated wiper/turn signal switch.

I wish I would have snapped some pics of my step-by-step on this job, but it was fairly straight forward. With the j/y components purchased, I removed the factory IH wiper switch and compared it to the Ford switch. One of my goals was to make this setup appear as stock as possible to the untrained eye, which meant using the Scout knob on the Ford switch. The shaft on the Ford part is somewhat longer than the shaft on the IH switch, enough to be obvious. I either cut or ground the Ford shaft down so that the amount sticking through the dash would be roughly equivalent between the two switches. The shaft on the IH switch is completely round with a small hole drilled through the center to accomodate a set screw which holds the switch knob in place. The Ford shaft is half round and half flat to accomodate the Ford style knob. All I did was slip the Scout knob onto the Ford shaft loosey-goosey and scribed a Mark on the shaft for where the hole would need to be drilled. Then I drilled the hole for the set screw.

Now for the wiring, I won't be able to provide very many specifics. I'm not equipped with the exclusive mayben intricate detail recall feature. The wires for the IH switch are the individual female spade variety. The Ford harness has male spade connectors enclosed in a unified plastic plug. You can probably handle this a number of ways. I decided to carefully break the plastic plug on the Ford harness so that the apropriate male spade connectors could be individually connected to the corresponding female connector in the factory Scout harness.

As far as which wire goes where, I came across a diagram on the owlgorz internetz where a guy modified his early Bronco with a later model Ford switch. Pretty much the same process as I've outlined. I followed his diagram. I do recall having to make a couple deviations through simple trial and error in order to get it to work satisfactorily. By satisfactorily I mean, the variable delay functions properly, 1st clockwise position is high speed and 2nd cw position is low. This is opposite of normal, but just switching the speed control wires for one another is not the solution. That makes things worse in my experience. I decided it wasn't that big of a deal to me if those two positions were reversed as long as I had true intermittent wipers, which I do.

One other critical step is to ensure that your new Ford switch is grounded properly. With the Scout II switch, this was accomplished only via the attachment to the dash. For whatever reason, this is inadequate for consistent operation of the Ford switch. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. That's not the kind of intermittent wiper feature we're after. My Ford switch also had a ground wire attached to it for just this purpose. Ever since I got this wire connected to a suitable ground, my switch has worked flawlessly every time. I hope all this random gibberish makes sense and helps someone incorporate this very cool and inexpensive modification into their Scout II.
 
I'm in no big hurry, just trying to see what my option are. Jeff or Chad told me the Scout wiper motors don't have a park:icon_eek: maybe thats the reason for the lack of info on intermittent wipers for Scout.

Not sure what you discussed with Chad yesterday but Scout II's do have a park setting. I believe all electric wipers need a park setting otherwise they will stop where they are when turning the wipers to the off position. I do know from previous experience that Scout II wiper motors were wired differently than most other wiper systems including fullsize IH's. I have a nos wiper switch that is for a IH pickup/Travelall and it does not work in a Scout II. The other thing I noticed that early Scout II's(Scout 810's) May have had a different wiring setup also as I have seen a slightly different motor in one that we have worked on. Again these are things that I have noticed thru the years but I can't say much is definitive here.
 
The sii wiper motor is some what of a strange deal. There are 3 power wires to it park, run, and for lack of the proper term "limiter". That is why scoutboy's and any one who uses a standard delay will have strange action. On most vehicles there is a low speed coil and a high speed or booster coil. On the sii there is a run coil and one that in effect cancels out part of the magnetic field to slow the motor down. To get low speed the motor needs power on the run and limit circuits, for high speed it needs power only on the run circuit. The Ford sw provides power to one pole for low speed/intermetent and to two poles for high speed. That is why scoutboy's system works as he described and why it won't work with the wires switched.

The sii sw operation is as follows
#82 power in to cir breaker
#82a always hot for park
#82b hot in low or high
#82c hot only in low
#87 washer.

So using Craig's Ford diagram above and the one in your sii shop manual you need to connect the Ford #28 to sii #82a for park , Ford "high" circuit #56 to sii #82c, Ford low #58 to sii cir #82b, Ford #941 to sii 87 for wash. Sii #82 to Ford #296 & #297 for power in, and Ford #57 and/or #63 to ground.

Note the sii switch has a self resetting cir breaker attached to it while the Ford uses a remotely mounted one so you should provide some sort of circuit protection.

If you want to make the sw work "normally" it can be done with a common 5 pin relay.

Connect sii #82c to relay #87a, relay #30 and sii #82b to Ford #58, Ford #56 to relay #86, and relay #85 to ground.
 
not sure what you discussed with Chad yesterday but Scout II's do have a park setting. I believe all electric wipers need a park setting otherwise they will stop where they are when turning the wipers to the off position. I do know from previous experience that Scout II wiper motors were wired differently than most other wiper systems including fullsize IH's. I have a nos wiper switch that is for a IH pickup/Travelall and it does not work in a Scout II. The other thing I noticed that early Scout II's(Scout 810's) May have had a different wiring setup also as I have seen a slightly different motor in one that we have worked on. Again these are things that I have noticed thru the years but I can't say much is definitive here.

That "810" deal has to be the difference in the two wiper systems for sii!!! Most likely also why we don't see the "other" system.

One more piece of the 810 puzzle to add to the list!

So as of now Craig is the king of goosegreezz and has one more skill set he can fall back on when the crash comes.
 
Just to throw another "what if" at this deal for eric vb or anyone else who might like to take a stab...what if a person such as myself who has the Ford relay in place in their sii and also has a wiper motor from a fullsize IH, was to swap said motor into their Scout, assuming it's physically possible, would there be anything to gain by doing that?

Oh...and merry Christmas everybody!

I was able to answer my own question this weekend by comparing a f/s wiper moter with an sii wiper motor. It doesn't look to be a practical solution as there is more involved than simply swapping brackets. The f/s motor incorporates a completely different shaft. I suppose it could be done if one wanted to badly enough and had a complete set of parts from both configurations in which to cobble from.
 
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I can attest to the fact that there were two different wiring schemes used on the sii. Or perhaps a different wiper motor altogether. I have a sii built in May of '71, which will not accept the Scout ranch intermittent wiper switch. I documented my issues here: Scout ranch intermittent switch on early sii - binder bulletin forums

My manual was printed in '74, so it May not be accurate as to how the early sii's were wired. Only way to figure this out is probably to pull the wiper motor and trace every single wire in the harness.

I eneded up sending the switch back to sss, who did warn me ahead of time that they had another customer who couldn't get it to work on a '71 sii. They tested it and said it worked fine, so there must be an issue with the early sii wiring. They were going to have the sr work on a fix for it, so I didn't get a credit at that time. I sent it back on feb 10th 2008, and I've emailed them twice since then with no results. Doesn't seem like it's going to get resolved unless I figure this out myself.
 
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