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wmills40

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Well, I (read my wife) has a new baby: 1977 Scout II. I have been doing the Jeep restoration thing for a while with my father, but my wife's Dad has now given her his old Scout, and I have become fairly impressed with the old girl (the Scout, I mean). I have had it for about a week and am trying to gather as much information about it as I can. So, I thought I would post the line setting ticket and let you all that know more than I offer up any information you can. I have figured out that it has Dana 44s on the front and back (trac-lok on the back), a t-19 borg-warner tranny with a Dana 20 transfer case. The paint codes says it's "terra cotta" and "winter white." that's about all I can get out if it. If you see anything interesting, please throw it out there.

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Of particular concern to me is the striping. I cannot find a photo of a Scout anywhere with that striping. Is it IH? Is it after-market?

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Thanks,
wmills
 
Welcome! Other notable equipment includes the 196 ci inline 4-popper and 4.09/4.10 axle gearing which is somewhat uncommon in the sii's as they were primarily equipped with v8 engines and thus taller gears. The lower gearing was a good match for the smaller and less powerful I-4 and I-6 option engines, but they're also great in a v8 powered trail buggy with oversize meats. I'm not certain, but I'm almost ready to bet your next paycheck that the striping is factory IH. It looks period correct. I believe IHPA is in cahoots with Mike moore who does the re-popping of all the fantastic IH-related decals, stripes and such. He would know for sure. Once the ihc poison takes hold in your blood stream, (no known cure) you'll completely lose your desire to play with barbie-mobiles anymore.:dita:
 
Also saw gas tank skid plate. Handy critter. And unlike scoutboy I do have the cure. Collect two of each. Once you have two of each you'll be cured. And you for sure wont have any more heep tendancies
 
Interesting stuff. I can see that this is going to be a bit of an obsession. :sosp: I don't believe I have ever crawled under a vehicle that was built as ruggedly as this thing (at least not from the factory). It's built like a tractor.

I saw that skid plate reference, too, but I don't think it is still there. I didn't see it when I was under it the other day.

It hasn't been cranked for a couple of years (which probably means 4 or 5). Apparently, when it was parked, my brother-in-law was driving it and said it started sputtering and skipping. I'm hoping it's just a timing/ignition issue. Father-in-law says he had trouble with the distributor off and on. Fluids look good. I'll probably replace the plugs and fluids, put a new battery on it, drain the old gas and see what happens. Is there anything in particular I should look for when I try to start it?

Thanks,
wmills
 
Welcome to the addiction. You May soon find that one aint enough. They have a tendency to breed into multiple scouts. Ask me how I know. These ole IH iron heavies are a whole different breed of animals compared to them heeps. Ihrunner has his hands in different avenues to where he thinks 2 is enough

the 4 popper is indeed uncommon, but not unheard of, in the later Scout models. I know of one guy in san francisco that has a 78 that was equipped with half a motor(the so called 4 cylinder). He turned around and swapped it out in favor of the IH 304.
 
It is definitely half a motor! Looks like it was cleaved right in half. I can't imagine why I would need anything bigger, though. Brother-in-law pulled a loaded log truck out of the woods with it a few years ago. Besides, it's still got all the purty red paint on it--and no oil stains.

Wmills
 
And as to starting the engine. This aint no fordchryslerlet. That 196 is gear driven cam. You wont find timing chains. You wont find narrow 2 bolt mains. Its a forged crank. You saw the full box frame. The t19. The d20. The d44's. Your Scout is a 1ton truck with a half ton rating. :devil:

you cant just go out and crank that engine over unless you want to destroy cam bearings (guilty of the crime) :nono:

theres a few pages on here covering the proper way to revive old IH heavies. Basically it involves making a tool to spin your oil pump on a corded drill and it will save you a possible 196 teardown and much swearing.

Also in case you ask in the future heres the upgrades you can make to your 196.

1) go find the other bank and turn it back into a 392....sorry had to do that. Common upgrade is to just drop in an sv8
2) the Holley 1bbl sucks. I upgraded to a carter with good results. The weber progressive 2bbl upgrade is common. As is the GM 1bbl efi system. Call bill hamilton if going that route. Im in the process of using a motocrap 1bbl system
3) stans tri-y headers. Cheap but not much of a performance add on.
4) be rid of that Holley gold box. Modern elec ignition.
5) have a performance grind done for your cam.
6) put cool stickers on your Scout. (adds 3.8hp each)
7) some people port and polish the head. Thats more of an hp thing and to me the IH engine head design isnt made for hotrodding
8) not common. Still waiting to see the finished product, but these engines almost beg for forced induction. Turbocharge it. Please someone finish this so I can drool on it. I cant afford it so you'll never see it on my stuff.

But seriously. You have a clean looking Scout. Treat it well and it will treat you well. IH to me is a way of life. Its a more laid back approach to life. Little more deep thinking

also. Im jealous. So dont be offended if I try and buy it off of you because I seriously like the 4 bangers
 
Anybody got a link to the page about spinning the oil pump up? Glad I checked back in; I was going to put a battery and switch on her today and turn her!:shocked:
 
Good information on the lube system and cam bearings. Makes me wonder whether some of this damage May not have already been done. I think I need to drop the pan and remove the valve cover to see. I pray everything is still intact.

On a different note, is there a way to find out what color steering wheel originally came on the Scout? The interior is all a dark green; almost olive drab. Somebody chucked the original and put a little parts house special on it.
 
wmills40 said:
good information on the lube system and cam bearings. Makes me wonder whether some of this damage May not have already been done. I think I need to drop the pan and remove the valve cover to see. I pray everything is still intact.

On a different note, is there a way to find out what color steering wheel originally came on the Scout? The interior is all a dark green; almost olive drab. Somebody chucked the original and put a little parts house special on it.
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Ive only ever seen a few colors. I have black. Od green. Blue. And white. My terra was baby blue with od green metal. Black steering wheel. My pumpkin is red and od green with black steering wheel. My highly optioned traveler was dark blue with a dark blue wheel. Usually od green metal to me means a big black steering wheel. But the guys who have been around longer can verify colors.

Pretty hard to damage an sv8. If you went out and fired it up you probably wouldnt hurt the cam bearings....but why risk it.
 
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