Hi-steer Install, first time

herculz

herculz

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Just recieved my histeer parts that remained, I got my draglink and tierod with the arms and spacers and hardware. Now my question is what connects to what. I have those bolts coming out of one of my knuckels at the top but the other doesn't have them, and my other question is, which is the drag link and which it the tie rod. They seem to adjust at the ends, should I weld them after I find the right size or are they meant to stay like that?
 
Look closely at the pics in this thread - http://www.forums.IHPartsAmerica.com/IH-only-build-ups/38-Scout-II-SOA-r-s.html

Is the knuckle that has no studs on top a flat top knuckle? If not you will need one of those. If it is then you need a complete hardware kit to mount the arms. The longer rod is the tierod, shorter one is the draglink. Do not weld the tierod ends. Simply use the supplied jam nuts to lock the tierod/draglink ends from turning.
 
Thanks for the pics, I see how its suppose to go and tried it last night,m but my spacer and arms are hitting that bolt by 1/2 inch or so thats on the caliper, I am thinking of grinding it down a little to make it fit. Hope it doesn't make it weaker. And how do I figure out what length to set it at. Should I turn the steering wheel all the way one direction and set it that way?
The kit for the arms and spacers I have, I got the items from you, I think we spoke on the phone and rocktech gave you the assurance I was ordering the right parts.
Thanks
 
herculz said:
thanks for the pics, I see how its suppose to go and tried it last night,m but my spacer and arms are hitting that bolt by 1/2 inch or so thats on the caliper, I am thinking of grinding it down a little to make it fit. Hope it doesn't make it weaker. And how do I figure out what length to set it at. Should I turn the steering wheel all the way one direction and set it that way?
The kit for the arms and spacers I have, I got the items from you, I think we spoke on the phone and rocktech gave you the assurance I was ordering the right parts.
Thanks
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Its normal to have to grind the spacer/knuckle/arm a tad for banjo bolt clearance. To set the tierod/draglink set the toe first, center the steering box and tires, and then adjust the draglink. You still need the pitman arm I recommended and May find that the tierod drags on top of the leaf springs if you used the lifted springs you said you wanted to use.
 
Sounds good, just ordered that pitman arm tonight, as far as the rod knock/rubbing on the leaf spring, is that with the stock pitman arm or will it still happen with the arm I just ordered? I still have the stock springs here, if it gets a little to hairy being that high with lots of weight on top of the hard top then I'll definately go to my stock springs. It won't hurt if it rolls once and stops. If I do see things rubbing or knocking where they shouldn't I;ll see what I can do to remedy the problem. Thanks
 
The tierod rubbing the leafs has to do with the amount of arch your lift springs have versus stock springs. With lift springs there is more arch. Arched springs need the tierod to be higher. To get the tierod higher you need to add spacers, thicker super arms, or both. But if you raise the tierod to the point that it clears the springs you May now be too close to the oilpan. Thats one of the reasons why I suggest stock springs on a SOA.
 
Looks good so far, but since there were no instructions with the stuff I bought and since I am new to this, I threaded the bolts into place until they stopped and then after putting everything together and started tightening the lockhut on the bolt for the arms, the nut isn't even flush with the screw, I tried to pull them apart and I can't any more, can I get some guidance how to remedy this issue? Or did I have to buy longer bolts?
 
You have the studs installed upside down. Reinstall them the correct way and then the nut should sit flush with the top of the stud. If you keep having problems with this simple install or do get it completed I'm suggesting to you to take it to a shop that is familiar with hysteer setups and let them look over your work to make sure you installed it correctly.
 
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I'm cool, is there a method on removing the arms? I am 99.9% sure that the install is correct, I disected the SOA histeer link you first posted and followed it to the t. Just little issues. Think I can get that tracking # for the pitman arm via email. Just wondering when it will show up. Thanks for the help,. I will try hitting those arms off, and hopefully the bolts unscrew safe or I am going to have to order new ones.
 
Once you get the arms off use two nuts together and jam them on the studs as it will make removing the stud much easier. I tracked the pitman arm and it showed as being delivered on Friday.
 
Thanks, I have a 2 questions, I got my hi steer setup and completed this weekend and then drove it yesterday. I have the wobble of death when I hit a bump and exceed 25 mph. I took it to get an alignment and was told that the pitman arm is incorrect, then again they are not scouts specialist, but on the tip of the pitman are where the draglink connects, the castle nut will not go far enough to place a cotter pin in it. Is this normal? And would you have any suggestions why now with a hi-steer setup my Scout wobbles like its going to loose both front tires? Thanks
 
These are some pictures of my draglink end where the castle nut will not turn anymore and its not allowing me to come close to inserting the cotterpin, is this the wrong end on the pitman arm?
 

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herculz said:
thanks, I have a 2 questions, I got my hi steer setup and completed this weekend and then drove it yesterday. I have the wobble of death when I hit a bump and exceed 25 mph. I took it to get an alignment and was told that the pitman arm is incorrect, then again they are not scouts specialist, but on the tip of the pitman are where the draglink connects, the castle nut will not go far enough to place a cotter pin in it. Is this normal? And would you have any suggestions why now with a hi-steer setup my Scout wobbles like its going to loose both front tires? Thanks
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herculz said:
these are some pictures of my draglink end where the castle nut will not turn anymore and its not allowing me to come close to inserting the cotterpin, is this the wrong end on the pitman arm?
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It is the correct pitman arm however it looks like the arm you received didn't get reamed all the way. Looks like I need to start checking those. Call the shop so I can arrange to ship you another pitman arm with the correct taper.

Ragardless the pitman arm is not causing your death wobble. Did the alignment shop check and/or adjust the toe? How much castor does the axle have? Are the tires balanced? Are the tires even any good? Lots of reasons why your Scout is experiencing death wobble.
 
Also, do not Drive your Scout anymore until we get you the correctly tapered pitman arm as you risk having the nut back off and the draglink falling off.
 
I definately will not be driving it, I drove it 2 times and was like f-n Scout my whole front end is redone and new and didn't expect to get these issues. I called chris and informed him of your suggestion, thanks again for the help. :icon_eek:
 
Thanks, I heard he got it the 17th on Monday, not sure if he's been able to work on it yet, there's other little issues like shock mounts and the bolts holding the hi-stear arms not coming through enough for the lock nut to lock, I tried removing them but that cone shaped washer or whatever it is has that arm for good and isn't budging. We'll see what the issue is this week I hope. Thanks
 
Would a reverse shackle setup also give me a little more clearance with my hi-steer?
 
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Jeff I picked up my Scout this Thursday night after the meeting and today I cleaned it up from dust, and dirt and other elements. I saw the part you sent me, it was on my floor board. I'll send it out asap?
 
herculz said:
would a reverse shackle setup also give me a little more clearance with my hi-steer?
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Probably not. The problem is in your lifted leafsprings.

herculz said:
Jeff I picked up my Scout this Thursday night after the meeting and today I cleaned it up from dust, and dirt and other elements. I saw the part you sent me, it was on my floor board. I'll send it out asap?
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Please do. There was a return label that I sent with the pitman arm. Hopefully chris didn't lose it.
 
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