Distributor alignment

DKindley

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Hello all. My boys and I have a 75 sii with a 304/727. It has a Holley disto with the curved points. We just put on a new Holley 0-0778 and changed cap and rotor with the new points. I set the point gap at .17 with a feeler gauge. I was trying to use mr Maybens power tune method which was working well. My question is I can't get enough advance out of the disto to make it ping. The vacuum advance hits water pump before I can really advance it. Do you think I should pull the disto and move it back a tooth?
 
Shift all your plug wires one position on the cap counter-clockwise to restore some clearance between the vac advance and the wp. Much easier than a dizzy re-stab.
 
Ok that does sound way easier. I was just worried that would throw the timing off. Oh and that was a typo on the carb, I'm not really an idiot I just play one on tv
 
You will likely need to rotate the distributor some back towards the cylinder head (retard) as your timing will be quite advanced after shifting the wires.
 
Rotating the plug wires one hole, will equate to 45 degrees of distributor rotation. 360 divided by eight = 45.

Rotating the distributor one tooth on the drive gear will equate to 21 degrees of distributor rotation. 360 divided by 17 = 21.

Fyi: there are 17 teeth on the distributor drive gear.

If 45 degrees turns out to be "too much", then turning the distributor one tooth May be "just enough".
 
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45 degrees May be too much. It actually runs pretty darn good as it is, I just think it needs to be advanced a bit. The issue I'm having is it idles great until I put it in gear then it stalls down quite a bit, almost dying. I turned up the idle speed so it doesn't die anymore but it idles pretty high in park/neutral now. Another reason I believe it's retarded too far is the way it kinda drags on the starter, no kickback or anything though.

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Also, if I do pull the disto do I need a new gasket or oring? It hasn't been apart in years so if there was one I'm sure it'll get destroyed on the way out
 
No new gasket needed. When you go to rotate a tooth, lift the dizzy just enough to clear the teeth and make your 1 tooth move. This will keep the oil pump tang engaged and will allow the dizzy to drop into place. Remember that these are helical cut gears so the dizzy will rotate a bit while lifting.
 
Thanks for the help! I moved the plug wires over one hole ccw, then backed off the distrib a bit. Worked great, however I don't think my vacuum advance is doing anything. Oh well, I'll jump on that next
 
Ok so I have it running pretty darn good, but I'm still thinking about the fact that it doesn't ping under load. Maybe I still need more advance? I have to keep the idle set pretty high in park or when we drop it into gear it will stall. Do you think the faulty vacuum advance could be causing this ?
 
Two concepts to run by you. First, manifold vacuum should always be highest at idle and will drop off under hard acceleration and heavy engine loads. The way your vacuum advance works, coming from a ported signal rather than a manifold signal, is that there will be no signal present at engine speeds below 800 rpms, but will begin to apply as more throttle is introduced. You've indicated a belief that your vacuum advance isn't functioning. If true, that could be why you're not detecting a any detonation ping, simply because your timing isn't advancing far enough to induce that condition. Your distributor does have a mechanical advance function that will advance your ignition timing at higher rpms whether or not a vacuum signal is present. First thing I'd be suspicious about from the description you've given is a manifold vacuum leak. My suggestion to you, invest in a low cost vacuum gauge that you can connect to a manifold vacuum source and take some readings. As an example, an unmodified engine in a proper state of tune and in good overall health will display a steady reading on a vacuum gauge of 19-21 inches/hg at idle from sea level to a thousand feet above. If you're interested in learning and applying some basic, old school engine tuning principles, you will want to have some basic tools at your disposal. A vacuum gauge, a timing light (you don't need the best one that money can buy) and a handheld, digital multi-meter with dwell angle and tachometer settings are invaluable diagnostic and tuning aids. I'd hold off on advancing your static timing any further until you properly address your vacuum advance situation and determine what your manifold vacuum is at a true curb idle speed (sub 800 rpms). Reason being is, you don't have any idea where your initial timing is set right now. It could be 8 degrees advance, it could be 18. You need to know more about what your engine is doing right now because you're kind of flying blind at this point.
 
That's very informative. I do have the tools, except the vacuum gauge. I checked the vacuum advance by sucking on it and it doesn't move the plate in the distributor. It doesn't get any harder to suck on either.

If I'm tracking you right, I should get a timing reading and check the ability to hold vacuum. Probably after I change out the vac advance can though huh?
 
The manifold pressure leak you mentioned, are you thinking intake manifold or similar? Or are you thinking rings or seats type stuff
 
Vacuum leaks can present in a variety of places. Anywhere there is a junction, hose, or hose fitting in series with the intake is a potential leak point. The base around your carb, the power brake booster, the hoses in between, fittings that aren't needed, but left open to the atmosphere etc. Internally such as worn piston rings or valve guides would be a compression leak. That can be tested for with a compression tester which gets threaded into the vacant spark plug holes one at a time. As far as when to check your timing and vacuum, there's no need to wait on those until you get a new vac ad can. Power timing is fine, but if I've got a timing light at my disposal, I use it. I like to know where the timing was before I start tweaking and I like to know where it is when I finish.
 
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