Brakes peddle travel

cornbinder

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Could anyone help or advise me inregards to 1978 Scout II the brakes have been replaced front and rear blead and adjusted,
however the brake peddle seems to have a lot of traval before beginning to slow and stop but will stop firmly. Is this a design issue or is there a brake peddle adjustment?? :mad2: :crazy:
 
Not a design issue...though in my opinion, the oem disc/drum combo braking system overall on the Scout II is a marginal system...but typical of most oem systems of that era. My caution is to not compare braking action/performance/feel of the sii system with later vehicles of a more modern design and mist especially...lower vehicle weight!

And the oem design is only compromised further with the addition of the typical significantly greater rolling diameter tire/wheel combos most folks like to run on these rigs.

That said...here's some possibles that might contribute to your described condition, and don't overlook having more than a single cause unless you can rule any out due to recent component replacement with verified good parts:

1) flex hose(s) are "ballooning" due to internal failure. Replacement of 30+ year old flex hoses is a maintenance item and is the most overlooked item regarding brake system maintenance. Another related issue regarding hoses is internal "delamination" of the hose material allowing the inner layer to act as a "check valve" when pressure is applied.

2) the master cylinder is by-passing to a degree, but not completely. A common issue I find with "remanned" master cylinders that are crap...I will not use a commercial reman mc, I use either new or a I rebuild 'em myself so that I control quality and then become responsible for proper operation.

3) not likely but something I have seen more than a few times on disc/drum combos of all oem types...a rear drum brake shoe that is actually cracked through the web (even partially) and allows the shoe to "flex" when pressure is applied by the wheel cylinder. I have a couple of shoes now in my pile of crap, those cannot be "rebuilt" by my friction materials source since that is a liability issue on their side...though they do routinely repair mangled shoe cores if the shoe "table" is damaged.

4) missing/in-op residual pressure valve in the rear drum brake circuit only. The sii service manual does a really nice job of describing how this system works for any disc/drum brake system. This is very common if the master cylinder has been replaced with a service part that did not include an rpv.
 
Thank you micheal, as always you are a library of knoledge and experience for which we all are lucky to have you around. I really appreiciate your prompt responce. I beleive that th mc was replaced some years ago and I also know that both previous owners before only used silicone brake fluid?? Something about moisture prevention the og owner said??
As to the balloning flex hose's I May just replace them for gp maintanence, peddle is hard and firm and as you said is no comparison to later vehicles.. :icon_idea:
 
Another option is seperating your master cylinder and booster and attempt adjusting the rod on the booster. These typically are not adjusted right, when you by them
 
I do beleive that both the booster and the master cylinder were replaced sometime not long ago?? This is something I will definately look into thank you brother:cornut: :cornut:
 
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