Am I missing something?

[overdrivesteve]

Hi,
this question really shows my lack of experience with IH trucks. So perhaps someone can help me set this up correctly.

My '62 crew cab has several bad fuel / gas tank filler leaks. Thought I would start at the fender and work my way down to the tank. First, I removed the filler plate and hose from the front fender, as shown in the pics below. Note, it's just a radiator hose, kind of split and flared out at the filler plate. Am I missing some other type of filler neck piece or is the top of the hose supposed to be flared out and held in place by the fill plate? Shouldn't the top filler plate look more like the last picture below?

And I noticed what I'm sure is the gas tank vent hose that goes to nowhere - it just loops around in the space near the filler hose, then stops, open to the atmosphere. I know there was no charcoal canister back then, but should this vent hose be open to the elements? What is the proper way to connect this fuel tank filler hose and vent hose assembly?

And what emblem is supposed to go in the two little holes above the filler cap?

Thank you for your help.

Steve

fender filler:

Filler pic1 plate and hose:

Filler pic2 plate and hose:

Filler pic3 back of plate and hose:

Is this what I should have?

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[1975IH200]

The hose on your truck May be correct fill hose as used by IH, albeit old and used up. The correct hose would look similar to the metal fill pipe you show. If you can get that fill pipe, then I would use that pipe and a piece of straight fuel quality fill hose for the pipe-to-tank connection. Radiator hose will soften and leak/fail quickly.
The vent hose, I believe just hangs out in the fender well like you mention, as I recall. You could install a small surge tank.

As for the holes by the fuel fill, I think there should be a "all wheel drive" emblem there.

 

[ihpartsjeff]

This is the correct hose that you need and we have them in stock - fuel tank lower filler hose,front fender fill style, 61'-68' pickup/Travelall - International Scout parts

 

[overdrivesteve]

this is the correct hose that you need and we have them in stock - fuel tank lower filler hose,front fender fill style, 61'-68' pickup/Travelall - International Scout parts

Thank you, Jeff.
Wow, that makes things too easy.

Now I have some decisions to make.

This is clearly the correct part, I know it will work ok, and I'm sure it will remain leak-proof for years. And installing proper parts is very important to me, otherwise I will become like the po's I complain about. However, at $78 it is a bit pricey, especially taking into account all the other related things my truck needs, such as a sending unit, fuel gauge, and gauge voltage regulator.

The alternatives include having a muffler shop weld on a piece of 90 degree tubing and using a small piece of straight fuel hose as a coupling, $7 for the piece at o'reilly auto if muffler shop cannot bend a small piece, plus welding charge;

or using the metal piece shown in my first post above, $47 but not guaranteed to fit.

So my question is this - I know in one of the IH forums I read about a fuel filling problem with some of the old trucks and scouts, and I know my truck definitely had such a problem. No matter how I twist and turn the gas station fuel nozzle, I could not insert the nozzle more than about half way. Consequently I had fuel running down the side of my fender, in addition to the leaks from the top of the fuel filler hose, and other gas tank leaks.
So if I welded a larger tube to the plate, with a bend similar to a gas station fuel nozzle, would that eliminate that part of the problem? Has anyone else ever had any fuel-filling problems with their truck?

Thanks.

Steve

 

[Bill Bennett]

When the trucks were built, the gas station pumps did not have the high flow rate of the present pumps. It took longer to fill the tanks but people were not in such a hurry as now! Look under the fender at where the hose/metal pipe attaches to the tank. That area can be the 1 1/4" diameter. This will restrict the high flow of todays gas station pumps. Also, note the size of the vent hose to the tank. At 1/2", don't expect to add fuel faster than the air can get out.
Slow down and enjoy the ride.

 

[overdrivesteve]

Thanks bill for the reply.
I'm going to have to pull the gas tank before I make any decisions to see what is going on. There are too many things done wrong on this truck to trust anything. In addition to the gauge/sender not working, there are some other major leaks coming from the top of the gas tank.

But one thing I'm not clear on is the vent hose. The parts books show it attaching at or near the top of the filler hose at the filler plate. Not sure how to do that. I don't like it just open to the dirt and water kicked up by the front tire. Any suggestions, anyone, on what to do about the vent hose? Perhaps some type of filter, canister, or surge tank with filtered opening? I'm sure there must be a "best" way to address this.

Thanks.

Steve

 

[Bill Bennett]

The vent hose will go from the tank, up to 'above' the fender filler hose where it is hung over a hook made of like a metal strap. Think about a piece of 'plumbers strap'. The hose then continues down to about the bottom of the fender. Mine is attached to the back side of the fender support with a clamp so it stays in place.
Bill 68 Travelall

 

[overdrivesteve]

Thanks, bill, for the reply.

I had mostly decided to go with the stock filler hose like Jeff shows above, for now. But, in looking at my setup, I noticed a second rubber filler hose, cracked and seeping. The first hose (shown above) goes from the fender to an "l" shaped metal tube, and the second hose is an "l" shaped rubber hose that goes from the metal tube to the tank. It looks like the first, left-most hose here, only slightly shorter as the end angle bend is cut off:

d-series lower fuel tank filler hose - International Scout parts

Is this normal for my 62 travelette? Or has someone swapped in a totally wrong gas tank? That's over $140 for just the two hoses, plus add on the price for the sender, gauge and gauge voltage regulator. Makes me consider if I have the correct tank setup or should reconsider something custom to begin with. Any comments, advice, anyone?

Thanks.

Steve

 

[overdrivesteve]

Hi,

I came across this pic of a gas filler hose tube. Let me ask the same question above in a different way, perhaps someone will know.

Is that the gas tank inlet at the bottom of the rubber hose that comes from the fender, or is that a metal pipe that will have another l shaped rubber hose connecting it to the tank?
So should it be: -fender,hose,gas tank- or -fender,hose,metal pipe,hose,gas tank- ?

Above it was referred to as a hose/metal pipe attaching to the tank and I'm trying to double verify I have the correct gas tank as it uses 2 different rubber hoses from fender fill spout to tank.
And my vent outlet definitely doesn't attach like that.

Thanks.

Steve