77 scout with some charging issues?

GreenScoutII

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I have a 77 Scout II 304 4x4 4 speed manual with some electrical issues. When I turn on the headlights the turn signal indicator lights on the dash both light up and stay on. Could it be a short in the switch? When I turn the lights off they will go off. The battery won't hold a charge even when running I drive around the block the Scout dies. Then the battery is dead! I fully recharge the battery and it will start but only run for about five minutes then the old Scout just dies like it ran out of gas.when I try and restart the battery is dead. Kind of a confusing question I know, but this thing was doing this to my father inlaw a few years ago then he passed away. I have aquired this Scout with only 48000 thousand on it and it is to cool to just sit in the garage.
 
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A. Sounds like your battery is shot.
B. Take the alternator to a store and have it tested.
C. If it is just the indicator lights, some where the tail light circuit is crossed to the brake light circuit. If there is trailer wiring I'd check there first.
 
Thanks fdchappie. The battery was brand new. As far as trailer harness it has never pulled a trailer but there is a mess of wires under the rear quarter panel drivers side that look like you could plug a harness into. It has some body damge on the left rear I was was looking to see if some wires were pinched, but can't tell until I can dig into it a little more. My thought is the alternator discharging the battery. Would it drain it just sitting with the ignition off? That happened the other day when I started it pulled it out in the driveway and went to put it back in the garage two hours later. It started fine I backed it in the garage and it died. Tried to start it and it gave a half of a crank and was dead.
 
Running a car battery dead will ruin it real quick, even once. A good battery should run the engine a couple of hours. I've never seen a situation where an alternator will drain a battery unless the key is left on, but it sure May be possible. There are other circuits that are still energized with the key off on a Scout, so it May be one of them.

Do you have a test light? If so charge the battery up and remove the ground cable from the battery, then place the light between the negative terminal battery and cable. If it lights up there is a short somewhere in the system.
 
Ill check that next time get a chance to work on it. I have it in the mother in law's garage an hour away. Maybe this weekend.
Thanks again
 
New battery don't mean jack crap nuthin' any more. Have it load tested to prove it is healthy. You could very well have a parasitic drain, but usually those take a couple days to sap a fully charged battery down to the point that the engine dies and the starter won't crank. So definitely perform the simple test as chappie instructed to check for a drain that is sucking your voltage down like a tick on a dog, but be prepared to take it a step further. Just knowing you have a drain is only half the battle. You've got to find out what's causing the drain so you can stop it. So if the light comes on and stays lit, go to the fuse block and pull one fuse, then repeat the test. Keep doing it until you find one that when removed makes the light go dark. Your drain is in a circuit protected by that fuse. Now you've narrowed the possibilities dramatically and can begin tracing only the circuits that are associated with that fuse. If none of the fuses when removed make the light go out, the drain is upstream of the fuse block. Items that are upstream of the fuse block in ascending order are: ammeter gauge, bulkhead connector, and the large terminal of the starter solenoid, all of which are potential problem points. The 'b' terminal of the alternator is also in constant contact with the battery via the ammeter gauge. It is not unheard of for a failed vr to create a voltage drain. Anything that is hooked to the battery can drain it when conditions are right...or wrong depending on your point of view. It is also well within the realm of possibility that your alternator is not putting out a charge sufficient to replenish your battery while the engine is running. Any one or all of these possibilities could be conspiring to create your symptoms. The answer and remedy is contained somewhere within the above discussions.
 
the battery won't hold a charge even when running I drive around the block the Scout dies. Then the battery is dead! I fully recharge the battery and it will start but only run for about five minutes then the old Scout just dies like it ran out of gas.when I try and restart the battery is dead.

the battery was brand new.

With that kind of a draw to drain a battery that fast, something should be melting or a least on fire:eek6:

I would check all main connections, grounds, and look for any evidence of shorts or anything that got too warm, especially the bulkhead connector. With that if nothing turns up obvious, a trip to an automotive electrical shop for a system load check/test would be my next move. A well equipped test would show whether the alternator/regulator sytem is in order and if you have any drains you couldn't find at home.
 
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