76 Scout II rear disc brakes

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Tolly

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My 76 Scout II, 345ci 4wd has a standard Dana 44 rear end. I bought and installed a rear disc brake conversion kit from ssbc. The id of the rotor is larger than the od of the axle hub and therefore the rotor is not properly centered on the axle. Can anyone tell me the correct rotor I should be using for the 76 axle. Ssbc is no help.
 
This is not an answer to your issue...but it does bother me greatly that ssbc (the big guns in this brake bizz) can't/won't work this out! Especially in light of the fact that the system is their own conversion!

No telling what actual rotor p/n they use in their conversion kit, it most likely May be some rotor that has been re-machined from some other root part and their supplier simply fabbed 'em incorrectly. Same for the caliper bracket which is their own piece and not an oem part by any means. And the actual "height" dimension of the caliper bracket determines what diameter rotor is used as it's companion.

If you paid money for this setup to ssbc...and they are not responsive to this issue, then I'd box all the schnizz and have it ready to send back once you have a rpa from 'em with a pending credit card refund transaction! If they are going to offer this conversion as a "kit" (which they do), then it needs to fit and operate properly...this is a major liability issue on the side of ssbc!

Is there more to this story????
 
michael mayben said:
this is not an answer to your issue...but it does bother me greatly that ssbc (the big guns in this brake bizz) can't/won't work this out! Especially in light of the fact that the system is their own conversion!

No telling what actual rotor p/n they use in their conversion kit, it most likely May be some rotor that has been re-machined from some other root part and their supplier simply fabbed 'em incorrectly. Same for the caliper bracket which is their own piece and not an oem part by any means. And the actual "height" dimension of the caliper bracket determines what diameter rotor is used as it's companion.

If you paid money for this setup to ssbc...and they are not responsive to this issue, then I'd box all the schnizz and have it ready to send back once you have a rpa from 'em with a pending credit card refund transaction! If they are going to offer this conversion as a "kit" (which they do), then it needs to fit and operate properly...this is a major liability issue on the side of ssbc!

Is there more to this story????
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Thanks for your response and I feel the same way except that I am doing a major refurbish on the Scout and the shop I am using is more than competent enough to make the mods to make these parts work... And I could not find a better solution.

There is more to the story. The first problem was the caliper bracket. After several calls to ssbc, they claimed there were several different rear diff's and they modeled there kit after a different differential and axle. I had to redrill the mounting holes. I was not able to confirm their claim with quite a bit of research.

I can make a flange/spacer to make the rotor work, I just feel the easier solution would be to find a rotor that would work. I'm trying to get the dimensions on the raybestos 3550 or 3550r replacement for the 1980 Scout to see if it will work. By the way, ssbc does not offer a rear brake conversion kit for the Scout any more... And they quit returning my calls.

I could have bought a cheaper kit, but like you, I thought ssbc was the leader in the industry and was willing to pay more.

Thanks again!
 
Thanks for filling in the details! Now we know the big picture and it's certainly something that is very prevalent in the "specialty vehicle" component bizz!

I've actually in the past few days been looking very closely at some ssbc stuff for another project I'm doing now...so they have been struck from my list of potential vendors/bookmarks based on your experience! And...they are still showing the IH-related stuff in their current online catalog pages.

As for variations in d44 rear axle configs used on the Scout II platform, that is total bullshit/smokeblow on their part. The spicer d44 spec'd for ihc "flanged" axle variation was actually introduced on some Scout 800 rigs so it's not like some Scout II "did or did not"! And prior to the intro of the flanged axle version d44 on Scout II, the "tapered axle/hub" d44 had been around for both IH and many other oem manufactures for years!!!

Why don't you call Jeff at the shop this week (530-268-0864) and ask him about the rotors that he and Darren use on their similar brake systems. I've not been on-site when they are actually doing a rear 44 conversion so I don't know what parts/mods are being used. But as you know, the center hole dimension, and the offset of the hat are the critical items, along with overall diameter and rotor thickness (and of course the wheel stud pattern).
 
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Thanks again michael and I will call Jeff.

One thing I May need to stand corrected on. I based my comment on ssbc not offering the kit based on my last visit to their website and not seeing them there. I just went there and you are right, the kit is there, so maybe they do;however, all of the other statements I made are fact. They basically said, this is what we offer and if it doesn't fit your application then you must have a different rear in your Scout. Well, this is not the first Scout I have owned, as a matter of fact, I built this one from two I bought and both had the same d44's.

Thanks again.
 
tolly said:
thanks again michael and I will call Jeff.

One thing I May need to stand corrected on. I based my comment on ssbc not offering the kit based on my last visit to their website and not seeing them there. I just went there and you are right, the kit is there, so maybe they do;however, all of the other statements I made are fact. They basically said, this is what we offer and if it doesn't fit your application then you must have a different rear in your Scout. Well, this is not the first Scout I have owned, as a matter of fact, I built this one from two I bought and both had the same d44's.

Thanks again.
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So much for "customer service" and "technical assistance" huh??

Stories like this just makes us work harder (and smarter) around here! Without customers...we ain't got squat!
 
It sounds to me like you got the complete wrong kit (probably a Jeep kit)-- or they some how shipped out 2 screwed up parts in the same package.

This is the kit that you should have been shipped if you order a Scout II kit.
ssbc :: a128-5
 
chris pucci said:
it sounds to me like you got the complete wrong kit (probably a Jeep kit)-- or they some how shipped out 2 screwed up parts in the same package.

This is the kit that you should have been shipped if you order a Scout II kit.
ssbc :: a128-5
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Yep, this is the part I ordered. Not sure what happened at this point, but I appreciate your response. I'm going to napa this afternoon and see if they can give me the dimensions on what I think might be the correct rotor, raybestos 3550.

Have you done this conversion?
 
tolly said:
yep, this is the part I ordered. Not sure what happened at this point, but I appreciate your response. I'm going to napa this afternoon and see if they can give me the dimensions on what I think might be the correct rotor, raybestos 3550.

Have you done this conversion?
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No -- but I have done other disc brake swaps on Scout II axles. Using a kit shouldn't be as hard as it is turning out for you. Good luck.
 
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