73 T'all frt brake hose

[Lyle Wiese]

I thought today would be a good day to change out the front brake hoses on the '73 r'all since I was changing out the mc. (r'all = t'all with a rambler motor) the popular replacement hose is the raybestos bh381205. It's even listed on sss. Only thing is it doesn't fit. The caliper end is different and it is too short.

After doing some research at clackamas auto parts, we decided on the raybestos bh36718 as the best fit. I'll know for sure on Monday if this was a good choice. Pics of the two hoses are attached. The third pic is of the original hose with the wrong replacement.

Anyone ever had problems with replacing these lines?

Lyle

 

[Michael Mayben]

I've never seen any hose with that "vee" shaped stopper on it before on any brake system for any vehicle! And I've never seen a disc brake 1010 or 1110 either.

Since your rig is 2x4, I "think" the brake system is bendix, not lockheed like used on the 4x4 version. Also, isn't the rambleall a 1010 and not an 1110?

The oem hose part number for the 1010 only with brake code 04135 (which shows to be the option disc brakes) is 432499c1.

The oem hose part number for the code 04125 (standard drum brake) is 427401c1.

So obviously there is a difference, the hose with the "vee" tab is a disc brake hose, thus the banjo fitting. A drum brake wheel cylinder uses a male inverted flare fitting crimped in place.

For a comparison only, I use a bendix 88272 on the front of the 1110 4x4 with lockheed cylinders. That part is about 4" longer than oem which allows a lift to be installed, without a lift, ya simply route the hoses away from the tires and shocks using tiewrps to secure loosely as the suspension moves through it's travel and the wheels turn in steering mode.

Mikee just replaced both the front soft lines on the 1110 4x4 t'all we just acquired, I know they were napa sourced but I don't see any number on 'em. They appear to be oem length. With the exception of length, they are identical to the bendix hoses on the 4x4 1110 beater truck.

 

[RobertC]

You have a 73 1010 t/a with front disc brakes correct?

Spent some time looking at online catalogs (kragen / napa / rockauto) and it look like raybestos bh381205 is a "catalog error". Kragen / napa did not list this brake line.

So, it appears that the "aftermarket" does not make a front brake line for this specific app.

Sss lists IH part numbers, including the IH number 432499c1, that michael listed above.

Maybe the IH brake line is still available thru light line and Jeff could order it. Maybe it is just sss inventory...

Otherwise, it looks like you take the old one and have a couple made at a shop that does this kind of work.

Hope the other raybestos number you got works...

 

[Michael Mayben]

No reason to have any brake-related hydraulic hoses fabricated, that is not legal on a street-driven vehicle unless the company fabricating the hoses has dot certification in place for each part number they fab. No hydraulic hose builder will do this kind of work due to the liability involved, they are fully aware of the consequences.

The replacement hoses are readily available, maybe something an inch longer or so, maybe with a slight bend in the fitting end, but who cares if it fits?

I rarely use "part numbers" for this kind of stuff, I take the rotten hose(s) to the parts house and simply match 'em with something, then do a lookup to see what it is. And lyle is working with one of the finest oldskool parts houses in the northwest.

All of the changes/buyouts/takeovers in the aftermarket parts industry in the last several years has resulted inna disaster regarding any "lookup" system. I don't trust any of that stuff as definitive at all...justa reference for a starting point. I deal with this same thing onna daily basis and I can walk into two wholesale warehouses and three retailers locally, go right to the shelves, and find the shit I need. Even then many times it's a major project due to consolidation of part numbers in the industry and the removal of many numbers from production/inventory due to non-movement at the retail side. This situation is not just particular to IH stuff, it's endemic in the aftermarket parts replacement bizz which suks in general for anything older than '92 or so. That is the throwaway nature of the auto industry today and the current government policies forced on the transportation industry is only making this a much worse situation now (can we remember "cash for clunkers" of a few months back that will decimate the remanufacturing industry this time next year??). How about the e10 deal...how's that working out??

 

[Lyle Wiese]

Mike, you are correct on the oem hose part number. That is the one I have been searching with and everything that comes up shows the line with the "vee" thing on it. Some of the sites do not list anything for the Travelall.

Yes, the rambleall is a '73 1010 and the brake code is 4135 per the LST.

Rockauto lists a centric #150.68008. It looks closer, but I'm not sure how it would fit with the 90* bends. The ends look correct. (pic attached)

I'll let you know what I find out tomorrow.

Thanks,

lyle

 

[Michael Mayben]

The centric line is now the big gun in the aftermarket replacement brake component bizz. They have taken over many of the bankrupt lines in the last few years. And you will see commonality amongst all the "brand" part numbers with prefix and suffix changes added to denote "brand, the base number stays the same as that is the key to making an I.d. With all this monkeemotion going on in the parts bizz!

My biggest go-to, local warehouse distributor (wd) purged all brake-related parts under "other" brand names about a year ago in favor of signing an exclusive deal with centric. A rollback was parked in the receiving bay and the non-centric inventory on the shelves were dumped right in and the new parts taken to schnitzers! Nothing but centric now remains. That is typical in this day and age where the parts bizz is still undergoing tremendous upheaval due to the economic policies of this government.

 

[RobertC]

no reason to have any brake-related hydraulic hoses fabricated, that is not legal on a street-driven vehicle unless the company fabricating the hoses has dot certification in place for each part number they fab. No hydraulic hose builder will do this kind of work due to the liability involved, they are fully aware of the consequences.

Do not know how I forgot about liability lawyers -- my favorite people...

How about the e10 deal...how's that working out??

Real well for archer daniels midland -- they have been lobbying (and paying lobbyists) for it for 30 years or more...

Actually put "custom brake hoses" in google and came up with

http://www.ruscohyd.com/brakhose.htm

http://www.custombrakehose.com/

If you want to spend the time / money...

 

[Lyle Wiese]

The bh36178 lines worked just fine and boy do I have brakes. Brakes like I have never had before.

I have always questioned the braking ablility of this rig, expecially with disc brakes on the front. Well, it stops now!! I suspect the rebuilt mc I installed 5 years ago never did work right. I plan on tearing it down and taking a look see inside.

Adding to the problem, I found the driver's side rear adjusting cable caught behind the piece of sheet metal it is supposed to ride on to make the curve from top to bottom. So this side was out of adjustment by about 1/4".

Lyle