727 trans no forward only reverse

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73 Scout II with 440 chrysler. Po was shredding the tires and blew the spider gears out of the rear end.

After replacing the rear axle and getting the engine running I found I had only reverse.

I checked the fluid with trans in neutral and added two qts. Put shifter through all positions but still no forward, only reverse.

Did the po blow this trans or maybe broke something simple to replace (yeah right)?
 
73 Scout II with 440 chrysler. Po was shredding the tires and blew the spider gears out of the rear end.

After replacing the rear axle and getting the engine running I found I had only reverse.

I checked the fluid with trans in neutral and added two qts. Put shifter through all positions but still no forward, only reverse.

Did the po blow this trans or maybe broke something simple to replace (yeah right)?

While there are a few other areas that could affect the symptom of "no drive in forward", I'd suspect that the overrunning clutch has spun in the case bore. And that is based upon the huge amount of abuse it would take to wipe the differential guts!

The overrunning clutch is more commonly referred to as the "sprag". It is the last item to come out of the case when performing an overhaul and the first item to be loaded into the case when rebuilding. Normally, nothing is required to be done in that area other than a cleaning and inspection of the springs, rollers, case, thrust surface, etc. Then the sprag is simply re-assembled.

A "blown" sprag means the outer race has spun in the case, it's retained by a fine serrated outer circumference, a set screw, and multiple stakings at the point of manufacture. Many years ago, the aftermarket developed the "bolt-in" sprag as a simple repair for a blown sprag and as a means to salvage an otherwise non-repairable case. Typical cost for these repair units is in the $125 range, they are all the same in actual design/installation/operation, one is no better than the other.

However,...if the bottom of the sprag bore shows signs that it has been heavily damaged by this failure, then the case will have to be machined and a specially-fabricated torrington-type thrust bearing installed in order to be able to use the case with a bolt-in sprag.

It's always possible that one or both of the clutches have toasted also, but no matter, the transmission must be disassembled in order to diagnose/repair this condition.

You can screw around with the oil change, band adjustment, valve body cleaning, etc, but it's far more likely the sprag is blown.

This is not a "normal" 727 failure, a blown sprag, like a broken low/reverse (rear) band, is caused by major abuse such as slamming the trans back and forth between first and reverse with a high idle speed (or wot).

This pic shows a "bolt-in" sprag outer race, with hardware before installation. The difference in that item and an oem race is...the four small threaded holes in the perimeter and in some cases, the race has the perimeter serrations cut a bit larger in od and depth to provide increased "bite" when pressed into the case.
 

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This pic shows the bolt-in sprag race installed in the case and fully assembled with springs and rollers. The case shown in this pic ( a very early tf 727) was not damaged at all, the bolt-in race was installed at the customer's request, not because it had failed.
 

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This pic shows the four bolts installed which assist in retaining the bolt-in sprag race, they replace the four oem bolts completely.

The rear drum support in this pic is a replacement, the original unit was fried both on it's internal and external bearing surfaces. That was due to a previous bogus "rebuild" that only lasted a few hundred miles before failing and wiping out all the friction materials internally, a real half-assed rebuild.

That support has the rear drum riding on it's od inside the trans, and the output shaft rides in the id. That drum support is "shrunk" into the case during assembly, I have one in the freezer right now for a rockcrawler 727 I have in process currently that will be spinning a klune unit in front of a d20.
 

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I recognize that holstein !:yikes:

You should! It matches the seat covers, the steering wheel wrap, and the sun visors on mobinder!

Now that we're blowin' smoke about mo, she'll take a shit tomorrow no doubt...so don't limber her up until at least Tuesday!

I'm thinkin' we do more of an angus motif on the latest gurlscout tranny, it hides the leaks mobetter! It May be jen's ride but no way I'll go with pink!
 
Thank you professor mayben, I knew you would come through with the answer.

I guess I'll be taking the trans out.
 
thank you professor mayben, I knew you would come through with the answer.

I guess I'll be taking the trans out.

Yep!

The pics I posted are from terry's mobinder sii traveler. He stuck a real early 383 in the hole way back when (beautiful conversion!) and had someone else put the Scout II tranny guts into the chrysler 727 case. That's the trans that didn't hold up but it was not due to the engine install, it was simply a crap tranny build.

A "b" block chrysler is absolutely the perfect engine swap into any IH vehicle.

Then I did a similar trans build for maranda's "pink" mud racer using a dodge motorhome trans for a donor, so it's a dodge front end with a Scout II backend married to a d20.

We're fixxin' to do another dodge trans to go behind a 413 (maybe 440??) that is gong into maranda's replacement for a suburban, a '67 t-all:

http://www.forums.IHPartsAmerica.com/I-h-s-t-o/3417-marandas-1967-travel-all.html

A "b" block chrysler is the absolute perfect swaperoo into any ihc product!
 
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