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The pertronix iii is a re-born crane xri conversion unit. Crane cams went down the bankruptcy rathole about a year ago. Crane consisted of several separate operations under the umbrella, and some of the operations were transferred to other holding companies, etc.

Their "lobe sensor" breaker point conversion was an innovative item, along with their optical trigger conversions (xr 3000) which were outstanding as well.

Pertronix picked up the xri conversion, has tweeked it a bit (so they claim) and repackaged as the pertronix iii. It is adaptable to only a very few distributor models however, it's most common use is inside delco cast iron sparkers from the 50's/60's/70's.

It is one piece, uses no rotating magnet assembly like the pertronix and pertronix II. It claims to have a built-in rev limiter which of course is useless in IH applications since they self-regulate themselves by running out of breath! It does have to have the "air gap" adjusted initially, from then on out, it is maintenance-free.

However, the p-tron iii cannot trigger any type of capacitive discharge ignition box such as an msd or mallory "six" series, to me that is their only drawback.

Accel also offers a dam near identical piece which I believe was actually a re-boxed crane xri.

Installing any electronic conversion in a distributor that has not been completely rebuilt is a waste of time! Delcos are by far the most bullet-proof units out there, but they also suffer from excessive endplay and that is the key to stable ignition timing with IH engines due to the very accurate gear drive of the camshaft/oil pump/distributor stack.
 
All good, but ...... Do I need a separate ignition module unit to work between the pick up and the coil or do I just wire the new pick up to the coil and then I'm good to go?

And then about the lobe.... So do I use the lobes that are already there for the points or do they supply a different lobe to go with their unit. Wish they had more info on summit about this. One would figure.

Fyi, the Scout on question has 13,143 miles on it. When I had the distributor out to clean, inspect and bench set the points I couldn't believe how tight the thing was. There was not play whatsoever.

Thanks for the info michael.
 
all good, but ...... Do I need a separate ignition module unit to work between the pick up and the coil or do I just wire the new pick up to the coil and then I'm good to go?

And then about the lobe.... So do I use the lobes that are already there for the points or do they supply a different lobe to go with their unit. Wish they had more info on summit about this. One would figure.

Fyi, the Scout on question has 13,143 miles on it. When I had the distributor out to clean, inspect and bench set the points I couldn't believe how tight the thing was. There was not play whatsoever.

Thanks for the info michael.

Scruu summit, summit don't know shit except smokeblow marketing, go to the pertronix website and study the system!

ignitor iii

No additional module, no additional magnet wheel, the p-tron sees the existing point cam lobe for triggering purposes.

The end play is what is critical here for accurate timing as the drive gears "thrusts" due to it's helical design, not the side play. Best distributor performance is achieved with an endplay of no more than 0.020". Use a thickness gauge and measure between the top of the drive gear and the bottom of the lower housing
 
No additional module, no additional magnet wheel, the p-tron sees the existing point cam lobe for triggering purposes.

So I'm looking these over and see one for the delco v8 - any mods necessary for a delco in a i4 or is the cam lobe spacing all it needs?
 
so I'm looking these over and see one for the delco v8 - any mods necessary for a delco in a i4 or is the cam lobe spacing all it needs?

I've done one of these xri installs inna delco fourbanger sparker, no mods needed,... All it sees are the four cam lobes in rotation.

No doubt crane never marketed these for four cylinder engines because the only big user of a delco four cylinder unit was the chev stuff like the Chevy II (153c.I.) from the 60's> early 70's and also used as a mercruiser marine application until the delco hei system took hold mid-1975.

The folks that run the Chevy II-based motors in midgets use magnetos, not battery-powered ignition.

But...I am only "assuming" this holds true for the p-tron version and they haven't really changed anything other than the labeling! So I'd contact them directly and see what they advise!
 
From the mouth of pertonix regarding the ignitor iii:

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I will work in delco distributor used in International's.
  But it will not work in either 6 or 4 cylinder regardless of the distributor.

Good thing the original crane xri's are still in stock.
 
Thanks for the followup Brian!

But...I wonder if the p-tron folks have actually tested one in a delco four cylinder distributor app since there is basically no demand for that application???

Since I have all variations of the delco stuff available that are fresh, I think I'll snake one and try it out to confirm this. In fact, I'm rebuilding a delco four-banger distributor today so I'll have a nice unit to try it in.

There May have been some change made in the electronics due to the "dwell" angle that the delco four cylinder uses as compared to both a v8 and many other engine applications. The dwell is actually calculated and "controlled" in the micro-processor as I understand it and is therefore not adjustable. The xri/p-iii is a kinda unique unit!
 
thanks for the followup Brian!

But...I wonder if the p-tron folks have actually tested one in a delco four cylinder distributor app since there is basically no demand for that application???

Since I have all variations of the delco stuff available that are fresh, I think I'll snake one and try it out to confirm this. In fact, I'm rebuilding a delco four-banger distributor today so I'll have a nice unit to try it in.

Were you able to get a confirmation?
 
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