2210c Carb

Provience

Provience

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Howdy, I have a '76 Scout II terra w/345 and manual transmission that has been sitting in various fields for various years. At some point somebody thought it would be a good idea to change out the carb. Thanks to your tech articles, I have identified the current one as the 7448 500cfm Holley. I need to be able to smog this thing and according to the diagrams in the engine bay, this truck came with a 2210c carb. Do you have these? How much? How long to get? Will you take the functioning one I have currently for a core or trade?
 
Thanks for hooking up with us, and to make things even better, you are our neighbor!

Your list 7448 Holley is the perfect carb for your application if it's freshened and is very popular for conversions. But as you note due to the kalifornikate regs it won't smog even though no doubt when tuned correctly it would allow passing the tailpipe test.

By the way, that Holley list is a 350cfm version of the modular 2v, the 500cfm version is not the best choice for this application!

Yes, we can fix you up with a reconditioned 2210 mixer that you can swap on. However, all the carb cores we have for rebuild are at my shop in oregon and I won't be back home to get one ready until the 21st. Currently, I working out of the ihon facility in Loomis, just south of you. Edit: Jeff just informed there is one 2210 here at the shop that "might" work for ya, but we still need to see pics of your setup in order to determine what else might be missing or scruud over.

Also, since you have a non-oem carb app currently, why don't ya post some nice pics of the top of the engine so I can see exactly what kind of po virus ya might have and be better able to help ya with completing a setup that will pass both the visual and sniffer tests. If some components are botchinated or missing, we can help ya with that also.
 
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Lets see if I can make pictures work. In case the pictures don't work. If the motor is red, it is a before pic, if motor is blue, it is an after pic.
The history that I was told/found out: truck was rear-ended in '97, back when smog was rolling 20yr so po was allowed to modify at will, after the accident it sat in various fields before ending up in a field in Nevada at my in-laws. The signed registration is from dads friends brothers son-in-law...I think... We got it for free due to the bod damage and were told that it needed an oil pump. Was told that it would run good aside from a little smoke at first. When I got the truck in CA, fired it up and drove around the block with huge amounts of oil smoke at tailpipes and under hood, shut it off and it was still smoking until put out with compressed air. Three old starters and one old oil pump pickup tube were in the bed, the exhaust manifolds were near, but not connected to, the tailpipes.
Decided to pull the motor and take a look inside, and found the upper compression rings on cylinders 6 & 8 were broken, but the oil pump was in great shape.
Does have mallory dist. And coil with msd box and msd in-cab timing advance control (wasn't hooked to anything). I plan on keeping the mallory stuff, if kalifornia will let me, and removing the msd stuff.
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The "before" pic shows the engine to be fairly complete except for the non-oem carb. Egr and a.I.r. Are present but the air cleaner is aftermarket and the divorced choke system is not connected (can't be used with that carb). You will also need an oem-type air cleaner with the heated inlet air system, along with the shroud used to connect the hot air inlet hose too installed on the passenger side exhaust manifold.

The mallory parts "might" have carb exemption numbers, if so, that is ok, but the adjustable timing control won't pass muster.

Appears the charcoal canister is present but is most likely "camo'd" as there is no port on that 2300 carb to connect it to.

I don't see the temp-controlled vacuum switches on your blue motor pics, but maybe you haven't installed 'em yet?

So...looks like you will more than just a carb. Why not come down to Loomis for a visit and discuss your future plans with Jeff, he'll have just about anything ya need to make the motor smog-legal as far as hardware to install.

We're at 3315 sierra college blvd. Just a quick/easy drive down from lincoln.
 
I actually drive by the shop every day on my way home from work/school. Tonight I am going to go through the vacuum diagrams and see what I can see. Several of the vac lines were plugged with old broken drill bits :idea: , so maybe they were trying to fool somebody.
As far as the temp switches go, there is a plug on the thermostat housing (in picture behind spring) and iirc that should be a switch, there is one installed drivers side between cylinder 5& 7 on the intake manifold. I am not sure how many are needed, but the fsm ought to know.
I will try and stop by Friday 10/16/09 (national boss day) around 4:00 with pictures of where I am at.
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And a picture of the good side
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Great!

We look forward to meeting you, I'll be here at the shop until closing time Friday, then home to oregon next week.
 
Michael and Jeff,

thank you for all of your help today, my carb is a 4412-2 shutterfly Please let me know if that will still work for a core towards a 2210(c). The dist and coil all check out ok with carb.

List o' things in need:
clutch and pressure plate - will give you mine for core
air filter box for 1976 w/2210
2210 carb.

At that point I should be able to bring the whole truck on down to you and we can give it a quick once-over. Please let me know what you want to do around price and time so that I can show up with CA$h

thank you,

philip provience
 
Quote=provience;21422]michael and Jeff,

thank you for all of your help today, my carb is a 4412-2 shutterfly Please let me know if that will still work for a core towards a 2210(c). The dist and coil all check out ok with carb.

List o' things in need:
clutch and pressure plate - will give you mine for core
air filter box for 1976 w/2210
2210 carb.

At that point I should be able to bring the whole truck on down to you and we can give it a quick once-over. Please let me know what you want to do around price and time so that I can show up with CA$h

thank you,

philip provience[/quote]

We finally made it home last nite phillip! And two days on the back roads with no cell or I-net service means I gotta lot of catching up top do around ehre!

Thanks for taking the time to visit with us at the shop. We're all on the same page now! It's just not possible to make a plan of attack through email and forum posts without knowing the big picture and what equipment you actually still have!

And I can see in your pic that the charcoal canister is still present so that is one more item to check off the list of needed smog-stuff!

So...we'll be very happy to take your current 4412 carb in as a core against a rebuilt 2210. I have several here to get started on over the weekend and I'll have a box of those ready to ship down to Jeff late next week. I'll make certain the carb designated for you is the correct one for the "other" engine we discussed regarding smog. And it will work just fine as a daily driver for the future!

And Jeff can make up a full set of air cleaner components so this setup will pass visual smog inspection.

Then once ya get the motor stuck back in the hole and operational, ya can take it for a "test only" and see what other details might need to be addressed.

Have you located the correct vacuum hose diagram for your application? If ya need help with that ask and I'll scrounge the archives. Your existing diagram on the underhood decal May be "close", but we'll need to make the hookup as outlined for the replacement carb that you will receive.

Also...you prolly told me but I can't remember...is this rig an original California emissions package??? Was it sold /delivered new in California originally?quote=provience;21422]michael and Jeff,

thank you for all of your help today, my carb is a 4412-2 shutterfly Please let me know if that will still work for a core towards a 2210(c). The dist and coil all check out ok with carb.

List o' things in need:
clutch and pressure plate - will give you mine for core
air filter box for 1976 w/2210
2210 carb.

At that point I should be able to bring the whole truck on down to you and we can give it a quick once-over. Please let me know what you want to do around price and time so that I can show up with CA$h

thank you,

philip provience[/quote]

We finally made it home last nite phillip! And two days on the back roads with no cell or I-net service means I gotta lot of catching up top do around ehre!

Thanks for taking the time to visit with us at the shop. We're all on the same page now! It's just not possible to make a plan of attack through email and forum posts without knowing the big picture and what equipment you actually still have!

And I can see in your pic that the charcoal canister is still present so that is one more item to check off the list of needed smog-stuff!

So...we'll be very happy to take your current 4412 carb in as a core against a rebuilt 2210. I have several here to get started on over the weekend and I'll have a box of those ready to ship down to Jeff late next week. I'll make certain the carb designated for you is the correct one for the "other" engine we discussed regarding smog. And it will work just fine as a daily driver for the future!

And Jeff can make up a full set of air cleaner components so this setup will pass visual smog inspection.

Then once ya get the motor stuck back in the hole and operational, ya can take it for a "test only" and see what other details might need to be addressed.

Have you located the correct vacuum hose diagram for your application? If ya need help with that ask and I'll scrounge the archives. Your existing diagram on the underhood decal May be "close", but we'll need to make the hookup as outlined for the replacement carb that you will receive.

Also...you prolly told me but I can't remember...is this rig an original California emissions package??? Was it sold /delivered new in California originally?
 
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