196 to 304 swap?

kolerlv237n6

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I have a 196 in my 75 Scout II and I am considering swaping a 304 that I have laying around into it. The question that I have is the enigne balancing issue? I know that the 196 is internally balanced what is the 304? I have a 727 behind it and I need to know if I will have to find another flex plate or not and if there is even enough gain in power to make it worth the effort?
Thanks for any help.
 
All of the IH sv v8's (266, 304, 345, 392) are externally balanced. You will need a flexplate for a IH sv v8 to finish your swap. Beware there are at least two different flex plates depending on which torque converter you have will determine the bolt hole spacing on the flexplate. Otherwise they are the same.
I like the IH sv 304, one of my favorites. Not a serious tire roaster in stock form, but a good all around engine.
 
I am currently doing a swap of a 304 into my 74 Scout II that was an original 6 cylinder truck.

I'm sure you've realized by now that the frame horns for motor are different, and located in different places.

I had to cut my frame horns off the donor truck, and fabricate a new transmission crossmember location to keep the fan out of the radiator.

I May have to move my clutch zbar frame mount also, but I'm not sure yet.
 
I am currently doing a swap of a 304 into my 74 Scout II that was an original 6 cylinder truck.

I'm sure you've realized by now that the frame horns for motor are different, and located in different places.

I had to cut my frame horns off the donor truck, and fabricate a new transmission crossmember location to keep the fan out of the radiator.

I May have to move my clutch zbar frame mount also, but I'm not sure yet.

Only the amc 6 has unique frame mounts, the 4cyl and the sd33 use the same frame mounts as the sv powered rigs.

So yes given the proper flex plate the 304 is a bolt in deal and unless the 304 is worn out it will have a noticeable increase in power over the 196 particularly when backed with a 727.
 
I don't believe the 196 spec 727 will be sut up correctly to handle the torque curv of a 304. The control pressure profile
should be more aggressive for a 304 than a 196.

Mm will know if ther clutch packs are the same.
 
Trying work out the "differences" in all the various permutations of the tf 727 (IH code t-407) transmission which "might" has been matched to each engine offering is a real bitch. And I'm talking the internal guts...not the case differences between the ramblermotor shit and the IH motor shit. And doing this through the use of the IH parts lists for these trannys is near useless since IH was real fond of using the term "as required"...ya translate that as meaning "tear the sumbitch down, see what failed, and then fix it right", that can be further defined as...we don't know what's inside without looking!

Yes, the flex plates are dedicated to various engine designs, as is torque converter app.

The primary difference internally between a 196 unit and say a 304 or 345 unit will be the way the front clutch is assembled (how many springs and how many plates), the throttle pressure control lever "length" on the trans (above the shift lever), and the internal "calibration" (primarily the throttle pressure regulator setpoint), but most likely other parts as well.

But in my world, the 196 trans would be gutted out, rebuilt with the appropriate "hd" stuff and setup (attention to clutch springs and pack), and a transgo tf-2 kit installed which makes the unit bulletproof for any engine app.

My very basic analysis shows that the 196 trans was set up internally very similar/same to what would have been the same internals as used in a 225 six cylinder chrysler motor in a automobile that weighed a nominal 3000 lbs. Not hardly a "heavy duty" version!!

But then the "last gen" versions of the 196 727 became near identical to the sv versions. So who the fuck knows without a complete side-by-side teardown. And...I've never been into a 196/oem slushbox so I don't have any "notes" regarding the setup.

Does this mean it won't work??? Not hardly! But it won't be "best".

Be prepared for all kinds of surprises when doing what appear to be "simple" bolt-in swaps like this.
 
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