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Steve Grant
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Dt444e is a v-8......7.3 powerstroke. The dt444e is a detuned powerstroke engine. It uses the International ECM, while the powerstroke uses the Ford ECM. If you looking to put in a diesel in your truck, meaning stay IH in your truck, why not a 6.9 or 7.3 idi?? But if you could care less of it being a IH engine, put in a cummins. Dt466 would be a cool engine to install, not saying it couldn't be done, but it's a heavy monster, its long, and tall. The frame would probably crack, unless it was beefed up. You could put in the 444e motor, but the electrical would make it alot of fun.
kyleandhisIH
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Just my own thoughts on diesel powerplant'ing your rig:
Idi is the key in that equation that throws off my math. I've driven a 7.3 pre-combustion IH motor ('86 Ford 3/4t) for enough hours to get familiar and it's basically a tractor motor, with idi (indirect injection?) meaning you use a pre-combustion chamber much like the Nissan sd33, if I remember correctly, and just like a few tractor motors. While the 7.3 has lots of power and would get the same low-20's fuel mileage loaded to the gills or empty weight (according to my cousin), it seems impractical for something like a light vehicle/truck.
Onto my second:
5.9! 5.9! I've seen more of these engines around where I live than I could care to count - I've driven at least one early 90's dodge dually variation, and I know that they exist in certain cottonpickers and tons of other agri-applications.
The 5.9 turbo diesel by cummins is a good motor, so long as you maintain your injector pump (I think the dodge has a bosch unit, maybe not?) because my uncle has had quite a bit of trouble with his. Not to mention, even in such a heavy old truck, that cummins is a very drivable motor.
I think the 5.9 also counts as common enough that aftermarket pieces wouldn't be hard to come by.
Now I can't imagine how much fab work would be involved just to set up the engine compartment. Not to mention new tranny (and transfer case depending on your dream vehicle) mounts, custom drivelines, hopefully you'd be using different axles, there's a chance you'd need to reconfigure the lower steering setup altogether...
$$$$
Idi is the key in that equation that throws off my math. I've driven a 7.3 pre-combustion IH motor ('86 Ford 3/4t) for enough hours to get familiar and it's basically a tractor motor, with idi (indirect injection?) meaning you use a pre-combustion chamber much like the Nissan sd33, if I remember correctly, and just like a few tractor motors. While the 7.3 has lots of power and would get the same low-20's fuel mileage loaded to the gills or empty weight (according to my cousin), it seems impractical for something like a light vehicle/truck.
Onto my second:
5.9! 5.9! I've seen more of these engines around where I live than I could care to count - I've driven at least one early 90's dodge dually variation, and I know that they exist in certain cottonpickers and tons of other agri-applications.
The 5.9 turbo diesel by cummins is a good motor, so long as you maintain your injector pump (I think the dodge has a bosch unit, maybe not?) because my uncle has had quite a bit of trouble with his. Not to mention, even in such a heavy old truck, that cummins is a very drivable motor.
I think the 5.9 also counts as common enough that aftermarket pieces wouldn't be hard to come by.
Now I can't imagine how much fab work would be involved just to set up the engine compartment. Not to mention new tranny (and transfer case depending on your dream vehicle) mounts, custom drivelines, hopefully you'd be using different axles, there's a chance you'd need to reconfigure the lower steering setup altogether...
$$$$
Steve Grant
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6.9 and 7.3 are have precombustion chambers in them, idi is indirect injection. 7.3 powerstroke or the idi engines wouldn't be impractical, just depends on your mechanical ability installing one. Cummins is a heavy motor, so would that be impractical??
The cummins would be an easier swap compared to the powerstroke, the idi engines I wouldn't it would be too bad to swap in. I wouldn't mind installing a 4bt into a Scout or fullsize truck, theres a couple for sale where I'm at, but they are expensive. 1hc72, why do you want to go to diesel in your 1210??? Don't tell me.....gas mileage right?? What engine do you have in your truck now???
The cummins would be an easier swap compared to the powerstroke, the idi engines I wouldn't it would be too bad to swap in. I wouldn't mind installing a 4bt into a Scout or fullsize truck, theres a couple for sale where I'm at, but they are expensive. 1hc72, why do you want to go to diesel in your 1210??? Don't tell me.....gas mileage right?? What engine do you have in your truck now???
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Steve Grant
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What engine do you have in your truck now???
If you are looking at a dd 8.2l I would pass on it myself.
They were okay engines but were in the use and throwaway category of engine and not a heavy duty diesel engine. Other similar engines would be the ihc 9.0l, cat 3208, and cummins 555.
If you are looking at a dd 8v-71 it would be a bit of overkill in a light line vehicle.
If you really want a diesel in your light line I would look at the GM 6.2/6.5l v-8, the 6.9/7.3/powerstroke/t444 v-8, the ihc dt(a)360 I-6, or a cummins 5.9l 'b'-series I-6 engine. All are fairly common, affordable, and parts and pieces are available just about anywhere. They also weigh in about the same as an sv engine so you won't need to make a lot of suspension upgrades as well.
There are a lot of light/medium duty diesel engines out there made by several different manufacturers in europe, asia, and the us. With enough time and $$$ you can make just about anything work but in the final analysis you will want something that once it is in it will actually do the work you want it to do. Plus you want to be able to get parts and pieces easily (read that affordable) to keep your "new" engine running properly.
They were okay engines but were in the use and throwaway category of engine and not a heavy duty diesel engine. Other similar engines would be the ihc 9.0l, cat 3208, and cummins 555.
If you are looking at a dd 8v-71 it would be a bit of overkill in a light line vehicle.
If you really want a diesel in your light line I would look at the GM 6.2/6.5l v-8, the 6.9/7.3/powerstroke/t444 v-8, the ihc dt(a)360 I-6, or a cummins 5.9l 'b'-series I-6 engine. All are fairly common, affordable, and parts and pieces are available just about anywhere. They also weigh in about the same as an sv engine so you won't need to make a lot of suspension upgrades as well.
There are a lot of light/medium duty diesel engines out there made by several different manufacturers in europe, asia, and the us. With enough time and $$$ you can make just about anything work but in the final analysis you will want something that once it is in it will actually do the work you want it to do. Plus you want to be able to get parts and pieces easily (read that affordable) to keep your "new" engine running properly.
6.9PoweredScout
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Nothin wrong with the 6.9, it's got lots of pep and moves my Scout around with ease, its even easir to swap into a pickup!
Come hell or high water I'm building a dt466 powered 4 door IH pickup, even if I have to suff half it in the cab!!
-jon
Come hell or high water I'm building a dt466 powered 4 door IH pickup, even if I have to suff half it in the cab!!
-jon
Dealbreaker74
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Has anyone considered a duramax? Sure, its from japan, and has no ihc heritage, but I think the Nissan motor was from the land of the rising sun also...
I see them routinely as dropouts from wrecked p/us at places like lkq for $4000. This is a complete motor with 40-60kmiles. Just a trend I've been mentally tracking. No real plans in my future, but having driven these motors, they are really nice. Lotsa diesel torque, and also revs (well, for an oil burner).
As for the dt466, that's just nutty. And don't for get to post the pics!
I see them routinely as dropouts from wrecked p/us at places like lkq for $4000. This is a complete motor with 40-60kmiles. Just a trend I've been mentally tracking. No real plans in my future, but having driven these motors, they are really nice. Lotsa diesel torque, and also revs (well, for an oil burner).
As for the dt466, that's just nutty. And don't for get to post the pics!
Steve Grant
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It would be alot of work, but it's something I've been thinking about for a long time, swapping a dt 360 or 466. The front end would have to be reworked, along with the rest of the truck. The dt 360 is a little smaller compared to the 466. I mean why not?? Have a body lift on the the truck, suspension lift but with springs that can handle the weight of the engine.
6.9PoweredScout
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Well, I'm not even slightly a GM fan so I would never. And I don't like alum. Heads on a diesel, seen toooo many fail. I worked at a GM dealer for 3 years.
-jon
Steve Grant
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Along with the powerstroke, the electronic end of it would be a pain, but it would be an interesting swap. Get the engine and tranny out of the truck, along with all of the electrical, that would be cool.
Steve Grant
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IH used GM engines (I.e. Detroits) in their trucks. The aluminum head end of it, you don't hear about alot of failures, you May have seen them, but that doesn't make a duramax junk. The first generation duramax's May have failed, say more then the later ones. Gale banks screws around with these engines, if he puts his name on it, that says alot.
6.9PoweredScout
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Detroits were designed in the 1930's before GM owned them, they're not actually a GM designed engine, or else it'd be in the same boat as the 5.7, 6.2, and 6.5 diesels....
I've seen a 6.6 clean house at the truck pulls 2 years in a row, after the second year it warped the heads soo bad they were trashed. Yet I see powerstrokes pull through the gates numerous times with no failures. 
just what I've observed. I don't preach IH for the good of my health, or because they're cheap, I'd be a Rich man if they were cheap to build! -jon