TBI 460???

JohnnyC

JohnnyC

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Heres the question of the day.. At least for me. Has anyone heard of swapping a 460 into a Scout with a stock 304/727. I have a 76 Scout that I am slowly rebuilding to be a daily driver. I wanted a FI 392 but it seems like it might be cheaper to swap in the TBI 460. The 460 has everything for the engine. I would need to purchase a fuel pump/ tranny/ motor mounts/ and drive shafts. But im just looking for opinions right now. Im still trying to get my Scout road worthy right. Im swapping the tranny, but then I still have to fix the brakes and lights. Thanks, john
 
johnnyc said:
heres the question of the day.. At least for me. Has anyone heard of swapping a 460 into a Scout with a stock 304/727. I have a 76 Scout that I am slowly rebuilding to be a daily driver. I wanted a FI 392 but it seems like it might be cheaper to swap in the TBI 460. The 460 has everything for the engine. I would need to purchase a fuel pump/ tranny/ motor mounts/ and drive shafts. But im just looking for opinions right now. Im still trying to get my Scout road worthy right. Im swapping the tranny, but then I still have to fix the brakes and lights. Thanks, john
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And how would this be cheaper the FI'ing a 392? With a Ford engine you're going to need to adapt to an IH transmission so you can keep the passenger's side drop on the transfercase. This can be done, but taking a Ford t-19 and an IH 20 and swapping guts and bellhousing, in/onto the IH case. But you'd still need to fab motor mounts, wire and cool the engine. If you had the transmission you needed and got the engine super cheap, then it maybe cheaper, but you can get a running sv motor for 300-500 usually, then it's a trip to the junk yard and buying a sub 30 dollar adapter plate. Best of all it bolts right in.
 
carl wiese said:
and how would this be cheaper the FI'ing a 392? With a Ford engine you're going to need to adapt to an IH transmission so you can keep the passenger's side drop on the transfercase. This can be done, but taking a Ford t-19 and an IH 20 and swapping guts and bellhousing, in/onto the IH case. But you'd still need to fab motor mounts, wire and cool the engine. If you had the transmission you needed and got the engine super cheap, then it maybe cheaper, but you can get a running sv motor for 300-500 usually, then it's a trip to the junk yard and buying a sub 30 dollar adapter plate. Best of all it bolts right in.
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Well I can get the 460 from my friend who sold me my orange Scout for about 250-300, im pretty sure he has the tranny still as well. But I understand about the mountz and all the fab work. Im just looking at my options. Thanks for your opinion. Its greatly appreciated.
 
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johnnyc said:
well I can get the 460 from my friend who sold me my orange Scout for about 250-300, im pretty sure he has the tranny still as well. But I understand about the mountz and all the fab work. Im just looking at my options. Thanks for your opinion. Its greatly appreciated.
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I understand you are looking at options, and while this is the cheaper of the two for initial cost, overall cost is going to be high. Even if you get the engine and trans you're going to have to look into an axle swap as Ford uses a driver's drop front axle and IH uses a passenger's side front axle. Not being familiar with your orange Scout, what's wrong with the engine you've got? Just curious thats all.
 
The engines good in the orange Scout. I live at 6500 ft and I do all of my outdoor stuff at 8500 or higher. Ive just heard that carbs dont work their best at higher altitudes. So eventually I was looking at fing it. Goodness I didnt know about the axle issue.
 
What you have "heard" regarding carbs at altitude is ...wrong! I can expound on this subject for hours. You need to connect with some of our IH friends in helena, mt and discuss their experiences on this subject!

Sure...there are possibly some advantages to FI in some uses, and the learning curve in dealing with the stuff is steep. If you think that you really "need" FI, then doing an FI conversion on your existing engine is far less time and money-consuming than doing a transplant of this magnitude! And to do the conversion ya better be real savvy regarding using a laptop and software to dial this in, it's not plug and play.
 
michael mayben said:
what you have "heard" regarding carbs at altitude is ...wrong! I can expound on this subject for hours. You need to connect with some of our IH friends in helena, mt and discuss their experiences on this subject!

Sure...there are possibly some advantages to FI in some uses, and the learning curve in dealing with the stuff is steep. If you think that you really "need" FI, then doing an FI conversion on your existing engine is far less time and money-consuming than doing a transplant of this magnitude! And to do the conversion ya better be real savvy regarding using a laptop and software to dial this in, it's not plug and play.
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Thanks for the advice. I would rather keep it all IH.
 
johnnyc said:
the engines good in the orange Scout. I live at 6500 ft and I do all of my outdoor stuff at 8500 or higher. Ive just heard that carbs dont work their best at higher altitudes. So eventually I was looking at fing it. Goodness I didnt know about the axle issue.
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A carb still works fine at altitude it is dramatic changes in altitude that messes with it. So if it is set up to work at the altitude you live/play at it will work fine, provided it is in proper working order. The only problem would be if you head down to sea level which will make it run richer.

FI will automatically compensate for the changes in altitude and give you consistent air fuel mixture whether your are at sea level or 8500ft. I'd FI the 304 and if you do eventually put in a 392, you would just need to swap in larger injectors and retune for that engine.

In the ihon store there are kits ranging from a complete system that is pretty much a bolt on and go, other than welding in the o2 bung, to partial kits that you complete with parts you scrounge yourself. Once installed log some data with a laptop (cable and software included in the full kit, or available separately) send the data to Jeff and he'll send you a new chip that is dialed in for your exact combo, if the original chip isn't perfect already. If you are a serious diyer the equipment to burn your own chips isn't that expensive. All in all much easier than dialing in a carb as exactly as the FI.

fuel injection - IH Parts America : International Scout parts
 
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