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Suggestion with strengthening week spots on frame and lift kit

Rentalman

Member
Hopefully this next Friday I will have the body off of frame. Once I have access to the frame I'm going t remove everything from it to give it a good cleaning, inspect welds, reinforce where needed, epoxy primer and paint. Then begin the rebuild process. Are there any structural areas that I need to give attention too?

This will be my first attempt at installing a lift kit. A while ago I emailed back and forth with Darren of IH Parts and for my use (80% highway-20% off road, 33x10.5x15 tires) he's suggested a 4" Skyjacker Soft Ride lift kit. I will upgrade with Bilstein Shocks, HD plates & U-bolts, brakes hose etc. I'm not sure if I need to use my stock shackles or go with the 5" upgrade? What is the benefit of using the 5" shackle. My Scout II has the front brace that attaches from shackle to shackle. Do I order the shackles that are designed to use the factory brace or do I upgrade to the X-Brace IH Parts sales? Also on the fence about the reverse shackle for the front. I've read good reviews on them. The builder of my 800 says they work great on 800's but in his opinion tend to make the nose dive on Scout II's when braking.

Will I be needing a hi-steer kit? My 800B has one for the same amount of lift.

As always any and all advise is appreciated. Thanks.
 

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int77345

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someone smarter then me will comment on where to brace the frame,

but i can give real world every day driving and 4 wheeling experience with reverse shackle. if you can get it in your budget do it ! its the best over all modification for driving that i have ever done. i have the same sky jacker 4 inch lift, and bilstein shocks. under normal braking there is no noticible nose dive. only time i notice a nose drop is braking hard, like the light just turned red, or a deer runs out in the road. the benefits far out weigh the nose dive. major benefits are smoother ride no matter what the terrain and i believe i gained more front flex 4 wheeling
 

ihpartsjeff

Administrator & Owner
Staff member
Yes upgrade to the 5" shackles as a longer shackle "frees up" the leafsprings to flex more and more smoothly. Yes get the shackles that retain the factory swaybar or better yet swap over to reverse shackle. A Scout II will nose dive slightly more than a Scout 80/800 because the leafsprings are longer. However, the nosedive isn't so bad that it makes drivability unsafe, otherwise we wouldn't sell the product. The X-Brace is more for stabilizing the steering box from flexing on the frame, not stabilizing the suspension. Your little amount of lift will not require hysteer. Hysteer is for vehicles with spring over axle lifts.
 

Rentalman

Member
someone smarter then me will comment on where to brace the frame,

but i can give real world every day driving and 4 wheeling experience with reverse shackle. if you can get it in your budget do it ! its the best over all modification for driving that i have ever done. i have the same sky jacker 4 inch lift, and bilstein shocks. under normal braking there is no noticible nose dive. only time i notice a nose drop is braking hard, like the light just turned red, or a deer runs out in the road. the benefits far out weigh the nose dive. major benefits are smoother ride no matter what the terrain and i believe i gained more front flex 4 wheeling
Thanks for the information on the lift and reverse shackle's. I think I will go with that set up.
 

Rentalman

Member
Yes upgrade to the 5" shackles as a longer shackle "frees up" the leafsprings to flex more and more smoothly. Yes get the shackles that retain the factory swaybar or better yet swap over to reverse shackle. A Scout II will nose dive slightly more than a Scout 80/800 because the leafsprings are longer. However, the nosedive isn't so bad that it makes drivability unsafe, otherwise we wouldn't sell the product. The X-Brace is more for stabilizing the steering box from flexing on the frame, not stabilizing the suspension. Your little amount of lift will not require hysteer. Hysteer is for vehicles with spring over axle lifts.
Jeff thank you for the information. Most likely I will go with the reverse shackle set up. Does the factory swaybar get eliminated with the reverse shackle set up?
 

Rentalman

Member
Jeff thank you for the information. Most likely I will go with the reverse shackle set up. Does the factory swaybar get eliminated with the reverse shackle set up?
Jeff, never mind on my last question. The bar that goes from fang to fang on the reverse shackle replaces the factory swaybar.
 

ihpartsjeff

Administrator & Owner
Staff member
Jeff, never mind on my last question. The bar that goes from fang to fang on the reverse shackle replaces the factory swaybar.
No you had it right the first time. The front swaybar does get eliminated with the reverse shackle. The bar you see between the front "fangs" or mounts helps support them.
 

Rentalman

Member
Hi Jeff I've got the tub off of the frame now so now I can remove all items from it and start the rebuild process. Your store sales the PSC remanufactured steering box and a stock remanufactured steering box. Do you have a suggestion on which unit I should purchase?
 

ihpartsjeff

Administrator & Owner
Staff member
Hi Jeff I've got the tub off of the frame now so now I can remove all items from it and start the rebuild process. Your store sales the PSC remanufactured steering box and a stock remanufactured steering box. Do you have a suggestion on which unit I should purchase?
Unless you plan on heavy offroading, the stock reman. unit will be just fine.
 
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