• To ALL forum users - As of late I have been getting quite a few private messages with questions about build ups here on the forum, or tech questions about your personal project. While I appreciate the interest, sending me a private message about these topics distracts from, and undermines the purpose of having a forum here. During the day I wear many hats as a small business owner-operator and I work tirelessly to provide the absolute best service possible to you, our valued customer. When I created this forum I rounded up some of the best minds I knew so that any tech question you might have could be asked and answered by either myself or one of my highly experienced moderators, this way the next time this same question is asked the answer can be easily found and utilized by the next IH enthusiast having the same question. This allows me the freedom to run the day to day operations of the business and minimize the impact to shipments and shop activities that these distractions can cause. It is of the up most importance for me to complete the daily tasks in order to best take care of you our customer, all the while providing you a forum to get the level advice and input you have come to expect and deserve from the premier IH shop in the country.

    So with that I ask that anyone with a question about one of our build ups or a general tech question to please use the forum as it was intended. I am absolutely available by telephone to answer your questions as well but at times may direct you back to our website to better field your question or questions. Most other private messages I will be glad to answer for you.

    Thank you for your understanding.

    Jeff Ismail
    Owner/Operator

Scout Camper

Silverscout

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I'm assuming that you are refering to sean's, silverscout, camper.

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Thanks cary. Mike had pm'd me to get some inside shots of the camper so here you go.

The table stows away but sets up in a few seconds. You can see storage above the window as most fwc's have.


Here is ben waking up from a nap in the upper bunk.


Here you can see the bench seat transforms into another bed. Its very stable. You can see the heater vent to the left. That thing pumps out the heat!:cornut:


Here you can see the sink, stove and cooler. The thermostat to the left is the same as you would have at home. There is a water tank bellow the sink and storage next to that.
 

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AG194

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Dude! You got that thing off cl, sweet. You gonna part it out still? What of the body post part out? (drooling)
 

backcountry

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Scout Camper Update

Ok – here is an update on the camper. Mike happens to be my brother in-law and had picked up the unit because of my interest in restoring it for my terra. It's mostly a hunting and fishing rig these days and a camper would be a good addition. Thanks to a little time off work combined with help from mr. Uber Scout, my Dad, and friend aaron, the Scout four wheel pop up camper has undergone a good chunk of the rebuild.

My terra
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As great as the four wheel pop up campers are, they are a very permanent fixture on a Scout. They take the place of the vehicle’s cab by bolting to the windshield and they don’t have the “slide in” tub like most other pop up campers. They can’t be removed and reinstalled very easily and they must be stored indoors to keep dry when not installed. Simply put, they aren't something you take off and you have to dedicate a vehicle to one. A different option must exist.

Because of the Scout terra’s additional length compared to a Scout II, I set out to turn a Scout II designed pop up camper into a slide in camper model similar to the ones that folks are running on pickups that could be more easily removed and installed.

Well… I dove in all last week.

Removing the camper from the rustbucket
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Fortunately, the camper came with an aluminum frame because the wood in this thing was shot and without the aluminum it wouldn’t have been worth rebuilding. Much of the original wood consisted of particle board, which was rotten, swollen, and soft. Even the plywood was bad.

The plywood was worse than it looks in a photo
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In addition to replacing the wood in the camper side overhang areas, we built a slide in tub and front wall to turn this baby into a fully contained unit.

Making it fit the terra wasn’t too bad. We had to lift the entire unit 2.5 inches to adequately clear the roof and remove some of the overhang that sat below the tailgate in the rear. We used 2.5 aluminum tubing under the bedrails to help raise the unit – we used the tubing to create a simplified process for unfastening the camper from the truck. We also had to cut and reweld a couple sections in the aluminum frame in the rear so we could push the camper all the way forward in the bed.

Aluminum frame
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Jacked up
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After gutting out the appliances, cupboards, and making some changes to the rear frame we measured and built the lower portion of the tub. I chose ¾ acx plywood on the sides and pressure treated plywood for the floor.

The tub
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We then removed the camper and set the tub inside the bed and then reinstalled the camper and replaced the horizontal wood panels that support the camper overhangs on each side. Balancing the camper was tricky at that point as it was getting very rickety – being partially deconstructed, the rotten wood panels began to fail. Camper jacks saved us at that point.

Replacing drivers side support panel
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It was exciting moment when the side panels were firmly fastened to the tub… structure at last!

We then measured out and cut the front panel – something this camper never had before. It took a little leverage to square up the frame, but when we were done this unit was more solid and square than ever before.

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After that we started putting things back together so I could put the camper into storage until I have a chance to work on it again around memorial day. I’ve ordered some aluminum siding for the outside front header and to replace a couple small sections in the rear that were damaged. I’m going to order a window to install in the front and pick up linoleum for the floor and carpet for the passenger window area.

I now need to design a bench/bed area that I will build for the passenger area. I also plan to rebuild the cupboards on the driver’s side so they look new again.

Also, after memorial day I will be rebuilding and reinforcing the rotten bed area that sits above the cab. The particle board is currently a disaster….

The canvass and top area are going to have to wait a year or so as I’ve spent enough on this thing for a while….

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Michael Mayben

IHPA Tech Moderator - Retired & No Longer Online
Nice work kidz! That's the way the dam thangs shoulda been built in the first place! It's hard enuff keepin' water out of a stocker IH anything, much less one that had had some major structural reinforcement done in plywood and particle board that wasn't even "marine"-rated!

And to think that IH even had any concept of using plywood to prevent oilcannin' of a dam flexi-flyer sii???? Hell, the canvas poptop provides as much structural rigidity as the particle board! I'd luv to go back in time and review warranty claims between pop-up and ihc regarding these anomalies!

But then, the overhang soaked up all the water before it rotted the windshield frame huh??

When we gonna put them dam lifter-offers jacks back into production? Product liability insurance on 'em is gonna really jack the retail price though!
 

backcountry

Member
I wonder if some of these were actually sold from International lots or if they were all sold as aftermarket units... This unit was built in 1982.

Yes, particle board was a very bad idea.
 

Michael Mayben

IHPA Tech Moderator - Retired & No Longer Online
From what I remember about this deal, there was a "partial assembly" deal that IH had with 'em just like they had with all the other "converted" products. That means an "incomplete" was shipped to the contractor that installed the body, the accessory package, the whatever...same as it's done today in the biz...

At that point the unit was completed and then shipped-thru to the selling dealer, so it carried the same warranty coverage as the rest of the vehicle (with some limitations). I don't remember if the selling IH dealer had to sign on as a four wheel dealer or not, they May have had an arrangement with an actual rv dealer locally who was the four wheel agent and handled customer service for that part of the rig.

Similar kinda deal was done regarding the motorhome chassis and bus stuff. Ihc was one of the very few manufacturers who actually built the majority of their truck bodies and specialty/vocational units for their chassis even though they did use a "ship-thru" arrangement much of the time.
 

IdahoJoe

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Very nice! Can you describe the cabinets on the left side? Where is/were/will be the sink and stove. I guess it's an illusion because the top isn't popped up, but it looks like the top of the counter is about 4 ft above the bed floor. Is that right?

I can't wait to see it.
 

Michael Mayben

IHPA Tech Moderator - Retired & No Longer Online
very nice! Can you describe the cabinets on the left side? Where is/were/will be the sink and stove. I guess it's an illusion because the top isn't popped up, but it looks like the top of the counter is about 4 ft above the bed floor. Is that right?

I can't wait to see it.
The company that manufactured this unit is still in production in woodland, CA, west of sacramento. Lottsa nice pics of all current models on their site:

four wheel campers
 

SS2

Member
very nice! Can you describe the cabinets on the left side? Where is/were/will be the sink and stove. I guess it's an illusion because the top isn't popped up, but it looks like the top of the counter is about 4 ft above the bed floor. Is that right?

I can't wait to see it.
I'll try to shoot a picture tomorrow of the sink and cabinets. Joel put them back in. But must have taken that picture before he did so. :crazy:
 

backcountry

Member
The stove and sink are about 4 feet from the floor - they are at the top end of the hard body. You can see the bottom of the stove in this photo on the left.
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Here is a shot that was taken of the interior after the first cleaning prior to the rebuild. She was a little nasty and still needs some work. Looks fairly straightforward, though. Notice the rot in the particle board in the bed area... Soon to be replaced and reinforced.
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Also - check out this original fwc ad. Interesting to learn that they were possibly offered at the dealerships...
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Here's an old article from off-road magazine
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backcountry

Member
Quick update - parts are coming together.

New aluminum sheeting in original style has arrived that will be used for the outside of the front wall (that's a piece of dead grass in the photo, not a scratch).
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I also found a vintage aluminum sliding window for the front wall. It is nearly identical to the style of the factory windows on the camper and the dimensions are about perfect...
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More to come..

Joel
 
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IdahoJoe

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For a while joel's collection could have been considered a rival to the ihcs. If I'm not mistaken, that was before Mike had his first Scout...
 

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