READY OR NOT, DIESEL SPECS CHANGE AGAIN IN 2010

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editor’s note:
even though this article refers primarily for the new diesel specs for trucks and off-road equipment, many of the changes will also be found in the automotive sector as well. For example, many european automotive manufacturers are already using “selective catalytic reduction” (scr) systems in which a urea substance is injected into the exhaust to clean it up.
The fact is that diesel powered engines are much more fuel efficient, so we will be seeing many more automobiles on the north American continent in the very near future.
There are pros and cons for both the “exhaust gas recirculation” (egr) and the scr systems, so here is the information you need to be in the know…..


scr, egr proponents square off



by Tom berg, truck editor, construction equip magazine

Navistar International executives used the mid-america trucking show to scorn competitors for using expensive scr to meet upcoming exhaust limits and, at the same time, to promote their "advanced egr" approach that includes higher amounts of cooled exhaust gas. Competitors soon shot back from an unusual "summit" where executives defended scr as entirely workable and beneficial to customers and the public, and refuted all of navistar’s charges.

Navistar hired an auditorium adjoining the expo center in louisville, ky., to host hundreds of customers and dealers at a gala sales rally on March 18. Here, in the latest effort of an on-going campaign, they enthusiastically pitched their advanced egr ( exhaust-gas recirculation) as a simpler way to meet 2010 exhaust regulations. And they warned of alleged pitfalls to competitors’ scr (selective catalytic reduction) approach, which requires injection of a urea substance into the exhaust.

Navistar executives, led by truck group president and ceo dee kapur, predicted that long-haul truckers will have trouble finding diesel exhaust fluid (def), that it probably will be expensive, that keeping tanks full will be a hassle, and that drivers will be exposed to dangerous fumes while handling it. International truck owners and drivers won’t have to bother with def, and they won’t notice anything different about vehicles built starting next January.

But harsh criticism of scr is "a lot of marketing over matter," countered denny slagle, president and ceo of mack trucks, at the competitors’ summit the next morning. "all of us up here today know egr, we’re experts in egr, and that’s why we’re using scr." high heat from egr puts stress on engines and more of it in 2010 will result in too much stress, he said.

He and colleagues from daimler, volvo, cummins and key suppliers all reiterated that scr is now being successfully used in europe. Distribution of def there is widespread and the fluid is reasonably priced, and the same thing will happen here. Cummins will have def at scores of distributors by October and in 8,000 locations as 2010 unfolds. Ta, petro and pilot will all sell the fluid starting at hundreds of truck stops late this fall and expand its availability throughout next year.

The environmental protection agency is satisfied that availability of diesel exhaust fluid for scr is being taken care of, and officials are no longer concerned about its supporting infrastructure, said byron bunker of the agency’s office of transportation and air quality. Epa has not taken sides on the scr vs.. Advanced egr issue; epa set the limits and manufacturers decided how to meet them. But "the industry stood up and took responsibility," bunker said in praising their efforts.

Kapur charged that def is "toxic and volatile," but a maker of the fluid said it’s nontoxic, biodegradable and won’t harm anyone who happens to touch it or breathe its vapors. Diesel fuel, motor oil and windshield washer fluid are all toxic, "and we handle them safely every day," said chris patterson, president and ceo of daimler trucks north america, which includes detroit diesel.

Competitors have previously acknowledged that their scr equipment will add 300 to 400 pounds to a truck’s weight and complicate mounting of some bodies and auxiliary axles – a point made by navistar at its sales meeting. Navistar executives also charged that the bulky equipment will require longer frames and wheelbases, but competitors have begun showing scr configurations that will allow "clean" frame-tops and close mounting of bodies behind cabs.

"according to the sole adopter of massive egr, we’ve all made the wrong choice," said per carlson, president and ceo of volvo trucks. "this will certainly come as a surprise to the many customers around the world who are already using scr, very successfully. Fuel economy is what customers demand, and fuel economy is what scr delivers."

extensive testing shows that their 2010 engines will use 3 to 5 percent less fuel, said cummins, daimler (which includes detroit diesel), volvo and mack (both of which use engines from volvo powertrain). This comes partly from eliminating most if not all active regenerations of diesel particulate filters, which requires injection of fuel. Better fuel economy will more than offset the cost of buying def, which will be "dosed" at about 2 percent of fuel use, and pay off the cost increase for 2010 equipment in a few years.

Advanced egr will lower the total cost of ownership for International customers, said navistar executives, suggesting that International engines might cost less than competitors’ to buy. However, in a speech later in the week, dan ustian, navistar International’s chairman, president and ceo, said $25,000 per truck is the cost of compliance with the epa's 2010 diesel emissions limits, though he didn’t say if that’s what navistar intends to charge.

Neither navistar nor most other truck builders have announced their 2010 pricing. Only one has: volvo trucks said it will impose a "nonnegotiable surcharge" of $9,600 per truck. A sales manager from sister company mack acknowledged that its prices will be "in the same ballpark."

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diesel technology forum comments on collaborative diesel engine research

A new study released today by the coordinating research council in cooperation with the health effects institute highlights the robust emissions performance of the new generation of clean diesel technology manufactured starting in 2007. The study found a more than 90 percent reduction in most emissions as compared to previous 2004 models, and the reductions “exceeded substantially even those levels required by law.”

“these findings underscore just how clean this new generation of fuels, engines and emissions control technology really is,” said allen schaeffer, executive director of the diesel technology forum, a frederick md-based organization representing the diesel industry.

The study, phase 1 of the advanced collaborative emissions study (aces), is a multi-party five year study to test the emissions and health effects of the new technology diesel engines to document the improvements that have been made and ensure that there are no unintended emissions from this new technology.

“ultimately these findings translate into even greater clean air benefits for local communities than were previously expected. More than 360,000 of these heavy duty trucks and buses were sold in 2007 and 2008. Not only are these vehicles very low in emissions, but they must meet these near-zero clean air standards for almost 4 times as long (435,000 miles) as passenger cars. Today’s diesel trucks and buses are so clean it would take 60 of today’s models to have the same soot emissions as one 1988 model,” said schaeffer.

While this study is limited to highway diesel engines like those used in commercial trucks and buses, virtually the same requirements (cleaner diesel fuel and progressively lower emissions standards) are being phased in for all non-road engines and equipment used in construction, agriculture, mining and other industries as well over the next 5 years.

“getting to these near-zero levels of emissions is a result of the highly integrated clean diesel system; cleaner ultra low sulfur diesel fuel, advanced engine technologies and emissions control systems,” explained schaeffer. “meeting the 2007 standards was a major milestone in clean diesel technology, but we’re not done yet. In just about 6 months, new 2010 engines will build on these results and slash oxides of nitrogen emissions by another 50 percent.”

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I was at a mercedes dealer the other day(I am a vendor)

I saw a 55 gal drum that said exhaust fluid.

I start thinking of old jokes like headlight fluid and muffler bearings.

The counter guy tells me that starting in 2009 mercedes started adding a tank(where the spare tire used to be) that will hold this fluid. The fluid is $20 a bottle and it takes 20 bottles to fill the tank. The fluid is very costic and must not be spilled on metal, also do not get it on your skin

if you run out of the fluid, you get a set number of starts(20 I think) then if you do not add fluid it will not start and must be towed in.

I know that it is supposed to help with mpg, but if the fluid is so expensive, the fluid cost will end up costing owners more mpg not less
 
Fred,

when I first heard that the "exhaust fluid" will be a urea compound, I too thought it to be, to say the least strange.

Mercedes is not the only one which will be using this technology on their new diesel engines...... Vw is another one. I wasn't sure about the pricing of it, but according to the figures you stated, it does seem to be rather exhorbitant. The jury is still out on if it actually will increase fuel economy, time will tell for sure. The system is designed more for cleaner emissions than anything else.

Thanks for your input.....
 
All,
correct me if I am wrong but is not IH the only diesel engine manufacturer who is not using the urea regeneration scheme?

IH/power stroke uses a self contained heat dpf regeneration and egr technology.

I think the urea fluid dpf regeneration will be the scheme used in all retro fit applications for transport category vehicles.

I don't know what GM/isuzu engines use so I can not speak for that application.

I hear the carb is developing a diesel testing emissions regimen to be implemented for all post 1991 diesel cars and trucks with a gvw of less than 14k. Don't worry, I am sure the other west coast green weenies / tree huggers etc will jump on the bandwagon.



I am way above that with my truck but many are not

this is a good thread to be moved to the diesel form...no?
 
Robert,

as far as I can see, at least for now, International engines will all be using egr, the GM/isuzu and the dodge/cummins both use egr with dpf technology as well.

The retrofit for the larger trucks and buses have been using the egr/dpf too, but that might change. Initial cost for retrofitting is close to $20,000 which has forced many owners to purchase new vehicles with the egr/dpf technology instead of plunking out that much cash for an older vehicle upgrade.

As the article states, there are many majors which are rejecting the egr/dpf in favor of scr, but for some reason, International isn't one of them. International will also be making heavy-duty truck engines for caterpillar, and building the trucks for them as well, it will be interesting to see which system they will employ on them since they seem to be so anti-scr at present. You probably have heard that cat will not be making truck engines any longer, only engines for their off-road equipment.

I suppose you are right, it might be good to move this over to the diesel forum..... There are many members out there who have diesel pickups which May miss it where it is. (in my limited knowledge of doing things on the forum, I do not know how to do it!)

thanks for the post......
 
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