HIGH-MILEAGE OIL FOR OLD AND NEW CARS?

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There have recently been inquiries about the engine oils which several major oil companies are marketing as “high-mileage engine oil” or “older car formula” and whether there is any validity or difference in their performance or is it just marketing hype?

better than conventional majors​

For most of the high-mileage or older car formula engine oils, the marketing is focused on cleaning deposits and sludge, conditioning seals, reducing oil consumption and protecting engine parts. The theory is that as a vehicle gets older, it’s mechanical performance decreases.

The oil molecules break down more quickly in an older engine, rendering them less able to lubricate. Over time, engine seals deteriorate, gaskets lose their effectiveness and oil consumption increases. The end result is an engine that is no longer capable of functioning at peak efficiency.

High-mileage engine oils cost more than conventional oils, but less than higher performance specialty products such as swepco’s 300 series supreme formula engine oils. The key reason for the approximate one dollar per quart increase in price of the high mileage, or older vehicle oils when compared to conventional oils is based on the fact that the major oil companies do formulate the oils using better base stocks than the oils that are sold to the mass automobile buying public.

Swepco has successfully blended premium quality engine oils for many years which have provided maximum superior protection for engines in both segments of the engine oil market:

heavy duty diesel engine oil (hddeo)
passenger car motor oil (pcmo)

swepco’s 300 series engine oils have always provided the maximum performance for new and older passenger cars, as the added fortification and protective additive chemistry that was good for heavy duty diesel engine oils was also good for smaller gasoline engine oils in areas such as temperature stability, wear control, oil life and corrosion protection.

new school of thought​

Different forces are driving heavy duty diesel and automotive engine oil performance requirements today. Stricter emissions regulations are a main factor driving diesel engine oil performance requirements.

The trends driving automotive and light truck engine oil requirements have more to do with fuel economy, emissions reduction, Catalytic converter life, extended drain intervals with less make-up oil (volatility) and engine design (lighter engines, smaller lubricant capacities, narrow oil channels).

One of the major contributors to the separation of one oil for both diesel and automotive engine requirements comes down to the limitation of the maximum phosphorous content in new passenger car engine oils. The old reliable anti-wear workhorse, zincdialkyldithophosphate (zddp), which was the backbone of engine oil for decades, has declined in passenger car engine oil formulations from .12% to .08% with the gf-4 classifications. It has been deemed that lower phosphorous levels lengthen catalytic converter life.

Heavy duty diesel engine oil specifications also changed in 2007 which, like the gasoline engine change at the same time, called for a reduction in the zddp. The current cj-4 diesel specification limits the zddp to between .10% and .12% whereas previously you could have seen it in the area of .14% or more.

Please note the previous emphasis of “catalytic converter life” when now comparing the current api gasoline specification sm with the diesel specification cj-4.

The point being is that when considering an engine oil for high-mileage old and new cars, there is a marked difference on what you should use. Api sm rated engine oils for gasoline service will not have the anti-wear ability as the previous sl classification will have, and the newer cj-4 rated diesel oil will have more zinc than what the gasoline sm for 2007 and newer engines require. If your engine is pre-2007, which calls for sl , using oils marketed as sm or cj-4 will not have the additives in sufficient quantity for superior anti-wear protection.

“engine oil for high mileage cars” then takes on another aspect for the unwary buyer which can flummox him even more. One way to ensure that you are using the correct oil specification for your high mileage car is to purchase sm graded oils to meet the oem’s specification for 2007 and newer engines and sl graded oils to meet their specs for pre-2007 engines. For those who prefer to use “diesel engine oil” in their gasoline engines, do not use the cj-4 rated oils in sm engines, as the additive package will put the oil out of the oem specification.

Therefore, when considering a major brand, “oil for high mileage cars,” if it is rated within the api sm classification, it will not have the higher additives required for older cars, those of pre 2007 vintage.

Swepco 306 (sl/ci-4) supreme formula engine oils have been and will continue to be the best choice for pre-2007 high mileage cars, vintage cars and many racing engines. Choosing swepco 303 (sm) for the newer engines will provide more than the proper service level needed for engines put into service since 2007; it is specifically designed to meet those needs.
 
So how does one go about obtaining a supply in tx? Does the old myth hold true about using the same type of oil all the time hold true in this case. I have used penzoil since I have had the truck but that is really only one oil change. The po claimed an engine rebuild recently but didn't specify an oil type use since. Could I switch now with no detrimental effects? No seals letting go, etc.?
 
Thanks for the post.....

Although you have good questions, more information is needed before a recommendation is given. First of all, is this for an IH unit? - if not, what is the make and model of the truck and engine. Reading between the lines, you don't really know if a rebuild has been done on it, so the engine itself May not be a "high mileage" one. However, whether it is high mileage or not, and if it is an IH unit, my first choice for your location would be the swepco 306 - 15w40 engine oil, this should be an excellent oil for you the year round. If you have "other than" an IH engine, you might want to stick with the weight that the manufacturer specified. Another aspect you might want to consider is if you have more than one vehicle you are going to use it in.... With the feasibility of using one weight for both (all) vehicles you have (if they are pre-2007).

Swepco engine oil is compatible with seal materials and you should not experience any problem with seals "letting go," however, depending on the condition of the engine as far as varnish and sludge is concerned you need to be aware that it contains a higher amount of detergents than other oils do. If your engine has a large amount of varnish and sludge (from neglect of the po), the detergent in the oil will go to work on it and in that case free the rings and increase the oil consumption until the rings re-seat themselves. - - - this only happens in the worst of cases, but it is usually only a temporary stage. So if your oil consumption goes up, it would be wise to change the oil and filter more frequently (to get the crud out) until it goes back down to where (or below where) it was previously.

Jeff at ihon stocks the 306 in 10w30, 15w40 and 20w50 weights, if you check the purchase page it will give you the pricing information.... However there is a price increase going into effect on January 1st, so if you order soon enough, he would probably pass the old price along to you.

Let me know if more information is needed....
 
thanks for the post.....

Although you have good questions, more information is needed before a recommendation is given. First of all, is this for an IH unit? - if not, what is the make and model of the truck and engine. Reading between the lines, you don't really know if a rebuild has been done on it, so the engine itself May not be a "high mileage" one. However, whether it is high mileage or not, and if it is an IH unit, my first choice for your location would be the swepco 306 - 15w40 engine oil, this should be an excellent oil for you the year round. If you have "other than" an IH engine, you might want to stick with the weight that the manufacturer specified. Another aspect you might want to consider is if you have more than one vehicle you are going to use it in.... With the feasibility of using one weight for both (all) vehicles you have (if they are pre-2007).

Swepco engine oil is compatible with seal materials and you should not experience any problem with seals "letting go," however, depending on the condition of the engine as far as varnish and sludge is concerned you need to be aware that it contains a higher amount of detergents than other oils do. If your engine has a large amount of varnish and sludge (from neglect of the po), the detergent in the oil will go to work on it and in that case free the rings and increase the oil consumption until the rings re-seat themselves. - - - this only happens in the worst of cases, but it is usually only a temporary stage. So if your oil consumption goes up, it would be wise to change the oil and filter more frequently (to get the crud out) until it goes back down to where (or below where) it was previously.

Jeff at ihon stocks the 306 in 10w30, 15w40 and 20w50 weights, if you check the purchase page it will give you the pricing information.... However there is a price increase going into effect on January 1st, so if you order soon enough, he would probably pass the old price along to you.

Let me know if more information is needed....

Sorry about that. The engine is a mostly stock 304 rebuilt and bored .030. The odometer reads 95k+ so considering the running characteristics (no ticks, quiet, no oil consumption, no smoke except at start , normal, good condensation at the tail pipe), I think the rebuild is legit. They painted the block black too. Now the unknowns: I have no clue how many miles since the rebuild and I really have no idea of how many years since it was done. I am dealing with a truck that was mostly garaged for the last 15 years and is now a daily driver. It also came from the frigid north and now resides in houston. I need to replace the valve cover gaskets and the oil pan regardless so as I do that I need to pick "the" oil I will use from then forward so kinda feeling out what is out there. My grandfather dealt with baton rouge industries and when I was a teenager I had a pretty drastic lesson in using specialty oil as every place I used it the oil ate all the gaskets out. Diffs, block, etc. And of course I have a harley so royal purple is a big deal for a lot of people in this area also. Personally I would rather use a product that is tried and true in this vehicle.
 
Swepco brand lubricants are manufactured by southwestern petroleum corp in ft. Worth, they have been in business since 1933, and have always been a leader in technology and performance with the different products they manufacture.

I can tell you that many IH owners have switched over to swepco 306 and have had very high success with it, you might have picked up some of the comments on the blog which reference those. I cannot blame you for feeling as you do about specialty oils if you had an unpleasant experience with one years ago, but from the sounds of it, I think it might have occurred at the time when partial synthetics were coming on strong and from what I remember there were several companies who had the same kind of results that you mentioned..... They eventually changed some of their formulations. The swepco 306does not contain pao stocks and is strictly a premium quality, mineral base, petro-stock product.

After you get some time on the oil and there is no consumption issues, you will probably be able to safely get 5,000 miles out of an oil change, so given the pluses that you can get, you can also get more mileage from the oil as well as the oil filter even with your daily driver application.

I am very familiar with royal purple and harleys as well. I come across rp at the races, and we always seem to do better. I have several customers with harleys who use our engine oil, but the later hogs call for a semi-synthetic oil and we do not meet that spec at this time.

Hope that helps.....
 
swepco brand lubricants are manufactured by southwestern petroleum corp in ft. Worth, they have been in business since 1933, and have always been a leader in technology and performance with the different products they manufacture.

I can tell you that many IH owners have switched over to swepco 306 and have had very high success with it, you might have picked up some of the comments on the blog which reference those. I cannot blame you for feeling as you do about specialty oils if you had an unpleasant experience with one years ago, but from the sounds of it, I think it might have occurred at the time when partial synthetics were coming on strong and from what I remember there were several companies who had the same kind of results that you mentioned..... They eventually changed some of their formulations. The swepco 306does not contain pao stocks and is strictly a premium quality, mineral base, petro-stock product.

After you get some time on the oil and there is no consumption issues, you will probably be able to safely get 5,000 miles out of an oil change, so given the pluses that you can get, you can also get more mileage from the oil as well as the oil filter even with your daily driver application.

I am very familiar with royal purple and harleys as well. I come across rp at the races, and we always seem to do better. I have several customers with harleys who use our engine oil, but the later hogs call for a semi-synthetic oil and we do not meet that spec at this time.

Hope that helps.....

Definately. I will be looking in to getting a supply soon. And those experiences I had were 10+ years ago so I was thinking that most of those issues had been resolved. Thanks for the information.
 
I like reading your post, it helps my vocabulary.:d

(flummox)

at first I thought this was one of micheals words, but no its a real word. Lol
 
Hi Craig,

I purposely used that word in the write up, so I'm glad it caught your attention. Hopefully, you learned as much, if not more from the rest of the article!

Btw, even tho it is a little archaic, it can be used in conversation almost on a daily basis.....

Have fun,

dick
 
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