a/c switch

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I am in need of an a/c switch for my 79 Scout 2 dealer add on system it is the system that has the vents running under the dash and the switches in the center close to the ash tray. Im looking for the compressor and fan control switch. I noticed these were made by indak and was wondering if they can still be obtained new or am I gonna have to do some kinda work around. Any info would be greatly appreciated thanks
 
I am in need of an a/c switch for my 79 Scout 2 dealer add on system it is the system that has the vents running under the dash and the switches in the center close to the ash tray. Im looking for the compressor and fan control switch. I noticed these were made by indak and was wondering if they can still be obtained new or am I gonna have to do some kinda work around. Any info would be greatly appreciated thanks

Are you certain it'sa "dealer-install" kit? All Scout II a/c kits are really a version of the typical aftermarket a/c kits of that era. They were not an "integrated" system such as used with pickalls.

Beginning with some 1977 and all "later" Scout II, the actual system design was changed a bit including the controls and the duct work/discharge vents. Can you post a pic of the entire face of the system you have so we can make a positive id??

We May have the parts you need on the shelf as "takeoffs", and nearly all the electrical controls are available though in cole hersee not indak supply. I have some on my desk right now!

Can you give me any number that might be stenciled or printed on the rear of the switch itself? There are many variations of these items used in both the oem stuff and in the aftermarket a/c kits, most used exactly the same controls though May have had definite selective positions and not "detents" for multi-resistance modes.
 
Thanks m/m I'll post up some pics in the mornin. After some serious cussin and cleanin the inside of the switch I got it workin. For now. I do need 2 vents for the panel though and would love to get em. The blower in this thing is like standin in a wind tunnel hell I dont think I'll even need the a/c on with the fan, it'll blow yur hare bak. Definitlee reshape a mullet. Thanks again for the response im waitin on the throttle cable to get here from ihon. Then I can do some drivin and test it all out
 
When I see "which" system you have, I May be able to help you with those swivel vents. The "early versions are real shitball plastic that fell out 6 months before the warranty ran out. The later system uses metal swivel vents that are larger, the two types don't interchange in their respective ducts.

I also open up those switches and perform surgery as needed! Since they are in the duct itself, they catch all the shit that blows through the system, including the sometimes heavy condensation/moisture throwoff from the evaporator core. Absolutely the worst place to ever think of placing an open-element switch device!! But...it does keep the resistance element in the rheostat cool.
 
Well you answered the system question with ease it has the shitball plastic vents. Just my luck. I also looked in my manual for the a/c section 2441 but its not there. I need to know what amount of r12 originally went in this puppy. Im usin 134 and since its a 12 system guessin at the 80 to 90 % factor wouldnt be good. Im ready to charge this thing. And amazingly it dont leak. Held 350 lbs of nitrogen for a week and has been under vac and holding 4 days at 30 inches. I've busted my ass and the bank to do this shit right, replaced hoses and flushed everything twice. Also added low and high cut out switches to bypass the shitball temp bulb in the evap. And sealed every possible crack and crevice in the boxes and blower housings to prevent leaks. This sum bitch otta blow snowballs.
I want to say thanks again for your help, you fellars really know your shnizz and I have have learned that junkiron is like your ol dog. No matter how ugly she is, she fills a special place in our old ass cold hearts!
 
Back when this stuff was new, the hvac side of the equation was still being treated as an afterthought/aftermarket kinda deal. But all the other oems did the same unless the system being addressed was a true integrated hvac unit.

The various ihc service manuals do have some extensive information regarding "some" parts of these systems, but in other cases there are some major failings, we just have to deal with it, the manuals certainly are never going to be updated. And much of the "updating" information back in the day was only done through "service letters" to the dealer base and the information was never melded into the manuals later on. Until we have some sort of repop publishing of compilations of service letters by calendar year, we will always have big holes in the definitive service/technical information that can only be filled by folks that might have copies of this stuff and are willing to share.

The basic "charge volume" for the r-12 system as used on the Scout II (all versions) is 38oz. The tool of choice back then was a heated dial-a-charge (which I still use on occasion for dispensing r-134a). And of course, those systems incorporated a sight glass in the high side. So a combination of accurate charge volume dispensing, then running a performance test based upon the vehicle setup data described in the manuals while monitoring the sight glass and pressure/temperature display on the manifold gauge set, was the normal methodology used to service the systems.

When I do the r-134a retrofits using the poorboy method, I simply reduce the charge volume by 10% as you have alluded to. That is a "norm" we observed and tested back in the days of developing/engineering retrofit scenarios when r-134a was implemented beginning in 1993 into north American production.

The sight glass has no use in r-134a-powered mobile hvac whatsoever, it means nothing and that is why over the years, it was eliminated from all oem hvac systems. On top of that, the sight glass element itself was a major issue regarding r-134a leakage.

So...if you have a precise method (charging scale) of delivering r-134a into your system, use it! Then simply observe system pressures as the system cycles after fully stabilizing (normally takes at least 20 minutes of runtime at say 70f minimum ambient).

Once the system starts cycling as it should, I think you will see that gauge pressures are right in line with normal r-12 pressures on the high side, most likely less than 15psi greater than the same conditions using r-12. Do not use a shop fan to force air through the condenser when doing this as that will give a totally false set of conditions and pressures.

The oem evaporator thermostat system cycles the clutch at a nominal 46f based upon all the testing I've done. Due to the poor quality of the discharge duct system, the discharge air temps are highly diluted by the time you feel the temp on your face (the tell-tale sensing organ!). However, my research shows that the actual setpoint of that electromechanical stat is supposed to be 36f at "full cold" in order to prevent evaporator icing, and that the exact positioning of the cap tube tip inside the core is critical. So the functionality of the thermostat (whether fixed or variable) is all over the place. This has a huge impact on discharge temps and is the major reason why the performance of these systems whether run on r-12 or r-134a is crappy!
 
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Thanks for the info. I do have an electronic scale set and will be using refrigeration grade r134. I'll start with 32 oz and go from there. It'll be while before we see 70 down here unless florida moves on the map.
I'd like to get one of the vents if you have one to replace the one thats missing its lil flaps. Just let me know mine is the one with the plastic vents.
 
I'll check the "plastic flapper thingee " pile and see what I have left that are useable.

I sent one of the real nice metal ones to another dude around here that had a very high-end resto done onna sii, it ended up selling for over $28k!!! Yes...it was a high end job...he barely broke even.
 
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