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Old 10-03-2014, 02:45 PM   #1
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As I was growing up I remember my Dad had a 1961 model 80 IH Scout. It was a work truck that we used to get around the superstition mountains in az. I loved that little Scout. I remember when my Dad sat me in the seat behind the wheel. I was only 14 or so and didn’t even have a driver’s license. Of course Dad wouldn’t put me into any hairy situations in that 4 banging dust slinger. In fact the scariest thing I had to deal with was when I would hit a rock and almost break my arm in the oversized non-power assisted steering wheel. Not to mention the near carpal-tunnel I would receive every time I would try to shift gear in the binder. We had many IH trucks on that mining claim, but the model 80 was the giggity of them all. I would feel like I was something in that little 80.
As I grew older my best friend in high school had a Scout II. Some of the funniest times in my life were in that rig. We thought it was the coolest truck in school. Of course in the 80’s (I dare revile my age) a Scout II was looked at by most of the “cool” kids as an ugly duckling. We would hear people say things like, “they don’t even make those hunks of junks anymore.” it wasn’t a Bronco or a blazer. No it wasn’t, it was an IH corn binding Scout II, and we were ahead of the curve as to what was “cool”.
Fast forward to 2006, after spending years building a career and becoming stable it was time. I was (and still am) married. I had a 3year old daughter and another on the way. Wanting to give my two girls the same kind of serene feeling I had with that model 80 I figured I would call back home Dad and see what can be done with the ole’ girl. After all, he still ran the mines and was retired now. Well, to my surprise he had sold it to a friend of his and it was since gone. After a lot of thought I had decided that instead of a model 80 or 800 a Scout II would fit the family better. I wanted to find one that was in great shape so I could drive it, but also something to work on periodically when the girls are old enough. It took a few plane trips and a lot of looking on the interwebs. I had almost given up until a friend of mine at work clued me in on one locally. I found it. A 1972 IH Scout II with a 345 in great shape.

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I drove it for years and preformed a few up grades on it. I swapped out the Dana 30 front end for a Dana 44 out of a junker at the junkyard (I also managed to grab the spare 345 out of the yard and some other parts).

Finally, I found a 1973 Scout II with a ton of extra parts and bought it for $350. The guy just wanted it gone. No title, but a title search reviled that one is obtainable.
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After driving the ‘72 around for 8 year I just realized that things just are not how I wanted them. Most of you are probably thinking, “that white 72 looks like it’s in perfect shape.” that is partially correct. With the sale of the Scout to me, I also received all of the documentation on the truck. There has been a lot of work done to in around 1996. In fact (I won’t place names on this post, as I don’t want anyone to take offence to what is going to be said) some major players in the IH industry have had their hands on it. They have all done some fantastic work on it. The Scout was very well restored in the past. That being said, there are a few things were not done to the highest quality that I’m looking for. There are a few issues that can no longer be ignored. Ya know the old saying, “a pig with lipstick is still a pig.” now the time is right, I have extra parts, motors and trannies. My daughters are old enough, and my wife was cool enough and has put away money to make things happen. So, it has been decided that the time has come to frame off the 1972 beast.

So here we go:
the tear down was pretty straight forward. There was only surface rust on the floors and no cancer. That’s good news.
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Inside looks pretty clean.
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I have a few speaker holes to fill in. Even if I put them back in, I will run smaller speakers or 6x9 vertical.
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The dash is ready to come out.
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Man, there are a lot of wires.
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Coming a part just fine.
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I also found 42 years’ worth of dirt from the fenders on both sides, but still no cancer. Fingers crossed!
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All in all so far the truck is in better shape than I had imagined. I thought for sure there would be cancer in this truck merely for just the age she is. Thank goodness she has been most of her life in a dry climate. Now, onto the fun part of lifting the body off of the frame.

One of the benefits of living in las vegas is a little auto trade show put on once a year called sema. Knowing that one day I would need it and finding it on the showroom floor I purchased an auto twirler. The nice thing about finding demo items at sema close to the last day of the show is swindling a secret discount. Cheaper to sell it then ship it home!!!!! Bingo boom shacalaka!!!! So here it is, it has been sitting and waiting for this day. Let’s see how it goes!
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Let’s hope this works!!!!
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With the top left on she is like my first girlfriend, ass heavy!!!
So we used some redneck engineering!!!!
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She’s off!!!
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Now dropped onto the cart.
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We pulled the last of the windows out of her. They didn’t want to come out easy, but a little patience and time and the glass and rubber are in great shape.
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Completely gutted and off to the painter.
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Now the fun begins!!!
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Old 10-03-2014, 03:21 PM   #2
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Old 10-03-2014, 03:34 PM   #3
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Thank for the subscription. This build should move along somewhat quick if all goes as planned. I have been planning and saving for years for it. Btw, I have been a member since 2009. Been a reader for a few years before that. I just figure my first post would be a big one!!!!
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I am excited to watch this get done. Any updates?
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I am excited to watch this get done. Any updates?
The project is defiantly moving forward in the right direction. I have been working a lot of o.t. At work. That along with the family schedule it has been hard to post. The painter is moving along and the frame has been getting some upgrades when my time allows. I will be posting some more pics of the progress the week of thanksgiving, as I will have some time off of work. Thanks for the interest.
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Old 11-27-2014, 06:21 PM   #6
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O.k. It has been awhile since I have made any updates, something called work has been getting in the way. I guess I have to put in some time for “the man” before I get some money to buy parts and such to continue the project. While I have been saving to do this for some time it’s always better to use incoming money and not touch the savings. In the meantime progress has moved forward.

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I’ll pick up where I left off.
I’ll start by saying that one nice thing about living in the las vegas area is something called the carroll shelby cobra factory. I mention this because it is how I meet my painter from a friend of a friend. This painter has had in the past the exclusive contract with the shelby factory. He is a great, honest guy and he knows what the hell he is doing. The paint will cost some $ but I know it is being done correctly.

First, after a meeting with my painter it was determined that media blasting the whole Scout was not necessary. So, the body was taken to the blaster for just to underside. All went well but we did find some cancer in the typical places, at the front “wedge mounts”. Nothing to major, just a quick call and had the parts a couple of days later to make the repairs. Overall, the body is in great shape.

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As the painter started to strip a few things were uncovered that were not done correctly in the previous restoration done in 1996.
Holes were left and then dented in and filled with bondo from the trim that was originally removed in ’96 .

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The front fenders were found to have dent in them which again were just filled with bondo and never dollied out correctly.
Not only that but bondo was built up about an 1/2 in thick from the trim down. Someone was smokin’ some good stuff and went a bit bondo happy!!!

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A few minutes with a hammer and dolly make a big difference!

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The tailgate is a whole another story altogether! It appears that at some point in her life she had some tow duties. The only problem being is the owner at the time would just lower the tailgate the hard way onto the towball/tounge of whatever he was towing. How do I know this: the profe is in the pics. A huge dent was found in what I thought was a perfect tailgate. A good grinder and some 20min of time revealed a 1in deep dent in the lower part of the tailgate.

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This was not just simple bodywork. I had another tailgate that we could have used, but it also needed work. So it was decided to have it sent out to a fabricator to refab a new lower part of the tailgate.

So over all the body has been found to be in great shape considering the age of the Scout. All parts were finally put into their first stage of primer.

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The top and hood are still being massaged!

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The body will undergo 3 stages of primer with tiered stages of sanding in between, a3 coats of base coats, 6 coats of clear. A lot of work left to do.


Now onto the chassis!

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We still had some tear down to do to get to the nitty gritty.
First thing first, the motor!

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I made a dolly for the engine. My daughter said it would never work. I started to believe her, but then again she is only 8!

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Now onto the tranny!

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It’s good to have help!

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After removing the exhaust, shocks and etc. It was time to take it to the blaster!

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It’s nice to have a blank canvas to work with.

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Now it was time to install the rock sliders.

I got the sliders from anything Scout and ordered the mounting plates from IH Parts America. It all worked out perfect.
I tacked on the plates.

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I took the other side of the plates and drilled and tapped them to except ½ bolts. (ignore the frame rail, it was used just to take the pic)

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Then I held them into place and marked them. I drilled holes with a hole saw so the bolt heads would have a pocket to fit into. (I didn’t just guess where they went; I used my parts Scout to mock them up)

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The plates were then tacked into place. While mounted to the sliders so there would not be any alignment problems.

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And voila, rock sliders in place!

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Next the reverse shackle kit by IH Parts America needed to be installed.

The front end and the old brackets were removed first.

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Next the front spring hangers were put into place and all measurements were checked (x3). They were finally tacked into place.

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Next the frame needed weight down to simulate the engine, tranny and body being on it to compress springs. Not having the body to do so, some redneck engineering needed to be implemented.
The engine was temporary placed back in along with a generator, some free weights, the tranny, and gas cans filled with water. Pretty much anything heavy I could find.

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Believe it or not it worked. I got the springs where I wanted them. (btw these springs are 4in lift Rough Country springs. I was worried at first because the back hangers of the springs themselves didn’t end up on the chassis like IH parts shows on the forums, but I triple checked and they are sitting in the right spot for these springs)

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I plumb Bob both sides and they are sitting together perfect.

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Marked at 5 degrees with a degree finder and drilled.
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Insert the hanger and tacked.

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Time to test!!!

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All looks good!! now onto a cut –n- turn for the front axle. This will correct both the pinion and caster angles that are not correct. I'll update in a few more weeks as I get the cut -n- turn done!
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Old 01-01-2015, 12:59 PM   #7
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I finally got some time to update a few items as I move along on this build. With x-mas and new year’s (too many beers) I have not found a lot of time to get things done.

I did manage to complete the “cut-n-turn” done.
First I had to determine the angle that I wanted my pinion at. I settled at 10°-12°. The final degree will be determined at the end of the build.
I started with 2x6° wedges that gave me the 12° I was looking for. It gave me what I think is a good angle for the pinion.
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As you can tell it put my casters at 15.3° negative. Not good!!!!
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So this is where the “cut-n-turn” comes into play.
First thing first, cut this big fat weld out.
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After about a half hour a side, a crap load of dust flying, and a little patients I managed to get the weld cut.

But the real killer was the 30min a side just to beat the yoke off! What a pain in the pimple covered butt!!!
As you can see I managed to move my chassis and the jack stand about 9inches in doing so. Afterwards my arms felt like noodles swinging that 12lbs sledge for that amount of time!!!
But it was done!
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I took my time and I cleaned up the axle tubes.
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Now the tricky part (not really), I checked, and checked and rechecked my angle to make sure it was good.
I settled for 4° positive caster. I figured if I turned my pinion to 10° this would give me a maximum of 6° caster. It will all depend on how it looks when I get the body back on and the engine back in. I will also have to take into account the flex of the new reverse shackle system. Anyways, with the above angle it will give me flexibility on the final product and the casters will end up between 4° and 6°.
Both sides ended at exactly 4°, and I tacked them into place. (btw, I know my tacks look like crap, but that’s what you get from a flux core wire feed. Oh well, luckily not the final welds)
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And I mocked up the steering to check for any hidden problems I might have not foreseen.
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All looks good!!!
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Now, onto the sway bar. It was all pretty straight forward.

First cut the holes in the frame, weld the channels in and tadda! All mocked!
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I also managed to make a new tranny mount!
No, I’m not talking about eddie murphy on an all-night rage!!!
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At this point it was time to break it all down. I took the axles to dan’s driveline here in vegas. They will do the final welds in a jig for the “cut-n-turn”. That way nothing moves as it cools. They will also install the ARB air lockers in both front and back. (what is the use of restoring a 4x4 if it can’t be used as such. Since I’m this far into the build I might as well do it well!)
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With the axle off and gone I could start focusing on running the brake, fuel and air lines.
I started by finding these small 2gallon air tanks. They were perfect! What is the use of having on-board air if I can’t have some storage for such?
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I mocked them up in front of the gas tank area. Looks like a good fit and the exhaust pipes should clear just fine on either side of them.
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Then I mocked up my brackets that will hold the tanks into place.
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This pic came out fuzzy, but you get the idea.
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Boom! They look good. I will be putting taller bump stops on so I don’t throw the drive shaft in to the front tank.
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I got some updates from the painter. If you remember the front body mounts were the only cancer the truck had.
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It does seem the repairs on the front body mount went good. The welds are not perfect but will be covered by undercoating so they will not be seen.
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This one is fuzzy again.
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For a special surprise, he also got some things into primer!!!
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Better yet, he gave me a preview of the color!!!!! Man it’s nice!!!!
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That’s all I have for now. I will be picking up all of the final painted smaller pieces in the next few weeks. The body and top will be done in another month or so, which does not give me much time to get the chassis done and painted myself!
Also, the motor will be done in about a week so I’ll be able to start on getting it put together. Fingers crossed!!!

Hope you all enjoy!
I’ll update in another month or so!
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I really like the onboard air idea. Will you be running air lines to each corner for airing up tires? Also love the color! What is going to be the front shaft setup? I am guessing that you pointed the front diff straight atthe transfer case. I assume you will be just getting the front shaft legthened. Great job, cant wait for the next update.
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Old 01-02-2015, 05:58 PM   #11
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The onboard air is not necessarily needed for the ARB lockers as I have a good compressor that will keep up with the lockers. The compressor will end up fitting next to the brake booster on the inner fender when I’m done. But I figured yes, I might as well run lines to the front and rear bumpers for service air, etc. The tanks were $50 on ebay, and they fit perfect!

I think I actually might have gained for the front shaft. Yes, it is now pointing at the transfer case. I had already had a 4” lift on it and the pinion was at such a crappy angle that I was reluctant to use 4x4. Seemed to me it would have snapped the u-joint when the bottom dropped out of it. The reverse shackle moved the axle forward so I’ll have to fully flex the front suspension to see what needs done when I get it all back together.

The color is shelby cobra blue. I was looking for a blue when my painter pulled out a can of paint and said “I have had this paint for 14 years”. The moment he opened it I knew that was my color. He is one of the exclusive painters for the shelby factory out here in las vegas. I will accent it with the same silver color that is mixed into the cobra blue formula. In fact, the grill is going to be silver, the painter said he had a moment. Lol!
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Old 02-19-2015, 09:31 PM   #12
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Ok. I haven’t had a post in a month and a half, but for good reason. I have been so busy with working on the project that posting has been out of the question. My painter has been close to getting the body done. So it has been a race to get the chassis completed, or at least to a point where the body has a place to rest when it comes home. I really did not want the body sitting on the body cart taking up shop space and being in the way. This kind of situation would cause me having to move the body back and forth and working around it. That means possible scratches. So it must rest on the chassis when I get it home.
So, I told the wife and kids I loved them, and proceeded to lock myself into the shop with every waking moment I had. (not including going to my regular job, need to pay for all of this somehow).

First, I got the axles back from dan’s drive line here in vegas. Cut-n-turn got its final welding done in a jig there. Also got the lockers installed, but not until it was found that all 4, yes all $4$$$ axles were bent to.012 and .016 out of straight. That was an unexpected cost that dipped into the build funds a little more than the boss wanted. My painter told her that she will just have to understand that it is a sickness that we all have. Lol!
Welds look nice and are ready for paint.
Anyways, here are just a few pics of the final product of the axles.
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I got all of the brake parts rebuilt, cleaned and painted.
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Old 02-19-2015, 09:35 PM   #13
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Chassis and suspension parts were prepped and painted (that took some time)

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And assembly began!
Hung the springs, and used the engine hoist to lift the axles into place. It went pretty slick.

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Then I stabbed the front shafts and built out the front hubs.

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I got the rear brakes put back together.

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Old 02-19-2015, 09:47 PM   #15
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At this point it was time to clean and reseal the transfer case and transmission. They both looked perfect on the inside. In fact the tranny looked like brand new. The guy I bought it from in 08 stated that it had a fresh rebuild, and I only drove it a few hundred miles a year since then. It appears he was not lying! My pressure washer was on the fritz so time to get out the brushes and elbow grease!

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After a full day of scrubbing they came out looking brand new!

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Here’s a quick shot of the oil pan. Someone has stated in the past on the forums that IH oil pans came from the factory with dents in them. I am starting to believe them as I own 3 of them and they all have dents. Either way, this one was an easy fix. The dent was in one of the rounded corners so I heated it up, place a ball ping hammer on it from the inside, and hit that a few times with another small sledge. Through a quick skim coat on it and some sanding and she came out looking brand new!

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