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Old 09-19-2018, 06:42 AM   #16
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Default Re: 1976 Scout Starting Problems

There is a fusible link, but unless all systems are dead in the cabin, that wouldn't be the issue. There is a relay under the dash, but it's jumped across from the factory since you have a standard trans. It's a nuetral start relay that is only utilized with auto trans, so I highly doubt that is your issue. Another common trouble spot is the ammeter gauge since all current must flow across it's terminals. But check the other places already mentioned first.
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Old 09-23-2018, 09:33 AM   #17
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Sorry I have not replied. Been sick and down for 3 days now and not even got online.

I did not think to mention it in my original post, but Yes, everything inside is dead, so the fuseable link may be my problem. Where is it located at & I will check it? If it is bad, can I replace it with an inline fuse or mini breaker or do I need to go back with the link? Whichever option is best, what size fuse, link or breaker do I need? As always - I appreciate the help.
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Old 09-23-2018, 08:25 PM   #18
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The fusible link is on the 12ga wire that runs between the large starter solenoid terminal and the BHC. Another name for it is "slow blow fuse". So no, you cannot use an inline fuse as they are not rated for enough amperage and blow too quickly. The proper size of fusible link is 14ga, two sizes smaller than the wire gauge it is connected to. You could use a 50 amp Maxi-fuse in an approved maxi-fuse holder as an alternative.
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Old 09-24-2018, 05:56 AM   #19
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Got it. I will get that done sometime this week and post back and let you know if that fixed my problem. Thanks.
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Old 09-24-2018, 07:59 PM   #20
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You can test it with your handy dandy meter or incandescent probe. You'll have power on the solenoid side of the fuse and no power on the opposite side if it has failed. That would be in addition to any obvious or very subtle visual cue that something is amiss with the fuse. If you find power on both sides...slip on down stream to the next junction...and the next...and the next until you find the break.
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Old 09-30-2018, 05:24 PM   #21
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Scoutboy74 --- I really appreciate the help. I took your advice and took my test light and started running down wires. Jumped across the fuseable link and all was good. Went to firewall and traced wires to dash and then down to steering column and had juice all the way there. At that point, I thought it may be a bad key switch and I then put the key in and wiggled it around and kinda in and out and tried to crank it and to my surprise, it cranked over. It did not start immediately, and upon a second try of moving the key around, it finally started. So it is definitely a bad key switch. Is there anything in particular I need to be aware of when I change it out?

I have attached a picture of my Scout and can't wait to get out and cruise around with the top down.
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Old 09-30-2018, 07:37 PM   #22
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Good sleuthing! Did you know that you have what's known as a "Patriot Scout"? If not, you need to research up on it. The Patriot and The Spirit of '76 edition Scouts were limited run, doll up packages that IH unveiled for the '76 model year only as a salute to our nation's bi-centennial celebration that year. The body decals are obviously the major tell-tale. Pretty cool. You'd do well to keep or return that one to as original a state as possible.

Back to your question, the doo-dad that you insert your key into and turn is not the ignition switch. That is just the key tumbler/column lock cylinder. The ignition switch is actually mounted in a remote location on the top side of the steering column behind the dash. It is actuated via a plunger rod that moves in response to whatever twisting motion is applied to the key tumbler. The most important thing when sourcing a replacement ignition switch is to make sure you match it up with the type of steering column you have...ie tilt wheel or non-tilt wheel. The two types do not interchange.
It just might be that the contacts/terminals between the switch and the connector plug are dirty or corroded. The switch has a bracket with some minor position adjustment built in. It could also be that the switch position is slightly out of whack. But, more than likely, upon investigation and cleansing, you may finally arrive at the conclusion that the switch simply needs to be replaced.

Oh, and another thing, the steering column in these Scouts is a Saginaw column. Very similar to the steering columns found in literally millions of GM vehicles of 70's vintage.
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Lemuel - '72 1210 LWB 4x4 CS - 304/TF727/NP205/RA D60 4.10 - "Pull Lemuel, pull!"
Mongo - '71 1210 LWB 2WD - 345/TF727/RA17 D60 4.10 Krac-lok - "Mongo love candy! Duh, huh, huh!"

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Old 09-30-2018, 07:39 PM   #23
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Option B would be to crap can the amp and the dist pickup and replace with the correct Pertronics module
do that it will last the longest going forward
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Old 10-01-2018, 06:19 AM   #24
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Thanks. I will try cleaning the contacts and see if that takes care of my issue.

I am definitely going to try and keep it as original as possible. To my knowledge, everything is original except for the top and wheels.
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Old 10-10-2018, 10:17 AM   #25
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I have a quirky update to throw out there. Of course, I thought it was the ignition switch. I cleaned the contacts and it began starting like normal again. Problem solved or so I thought. Well, after it warms up and I shut it off and go to restart it and it does nothing - just like before -- noting on the inside works. Parked it for the evening and go back a day or two later to fool with it. I put the key in and it starts right up. So I am beginning to think the ignition switch craps out when it warms up. Back to same story, it won't start after it has ran a little while. Go back again next evening and this time, it won't start and no power to anything inside. I check the juice to the starter and wire going into firewall and all is good. I then check the juice inside and there is nothing. Long story short, I then wiggle the wires at the point where it comes inside the cab at the firewall connector and I get juice and it will start right up. I am going to have to take out the heater vent hose and some stuff to get to it, but I am figuring there is a loose wire going into the connector. Once I get that done, I will put out another update.

Also for my future fix ups -- what exactly do I need to do if I go with the Pertronix module that I see comments about. Do I need to replace the distributor and the guts in it, or what exactly is involved in making this switch?
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Old 10-10-2018, 10:33 AM   #26
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My experience with Scouts is all with the 80/800 series, but assuming the bulkhead connectors are similar... I have been through this multiple times on multiple vehicles.

I have had good results with pulling all three connectors and spraying with electronics cleaner. Then I use a SS wire brush made for gun cleaning and scrub all of the spade connectors on the engine side. I use a small screwdriver with a very sharp-edged blade and scrape the corrosion off the spade connectors and clean again with spray cleaner. Last step is to apply some dialectric silicone grease before plugging them all back in.

This solved all of my starting & turn signal issues on my '71 and my '67. I hope it is the same on a SII or someone please correct me and I will remove my comment
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Old 10-10-2018, 06:47 PM   #27
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Also for my future fix ups -- what exactly do I need to do if I go with the Pertronix module that I see comments about. Do I need to replace the distributor and the guts in it, or what exactly is involved in making this switch?
You don't need a different distributor. You just need the correct P-tron module that fits your model of distributor, in your case Gold Box. They come with installation instructions. That's pretty much it.
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Lemuel - '72 1210 LWB 4x4 CS - 304/TF727/NP205/RA D60 4.10 - "Pull Lemuel, pull!"
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Old 10-11-2018, 05:21 AM   #28
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Thanks guys. I appreciate the info.
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