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Old 03-06-2016, 08:14 PM   #1
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Default Scout frame or Dodge frame?

The ultimate plan for the 77 traveler I just got is to stuff my 93 dodge ctd into it. The stock Scout frame won't be strong enough for the build and the dodge frame will require a lot of modification to work with the body. With the dodge frame I won't have to deal with engine and trans mounts or front suspension mounts. There probably would be rear suspension to deal with because of all the frame mods, but I would be able to use the rear kelderman set-up that's been in the back corner of the garage for years. The Scout frame will require everything except mounting the body. The dodge frame looks like it's too long in the front with the steering box projecting thru the front valance and using the dodge frame is like having a 3" body lift because it is taller. All input is appreciated.
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Old 03-07-2016, 08:54 AM   #2
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Default Re: Scout frame or Dodge frame?

Mod/beef up your Scout frame.
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Old 03-07-2016, 05:23 PM   #3
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That would involve reinforcement "fish" plates? I've seen the blak falken build on pirate where much of the frame is plated on all sides. I won't be building a crawler just something that can hold up to occasional light wheeling, towing a 24' travel trailer and of course the cummins running gear. No 2 1/2 ton rockwells here! How much plating do you think is enough?
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Old 03-10-2016, 01:24 PM   #4
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Default Re: Scout frame or Dodge frame?

For light wheelin' I would just strengthen the known weak areas. Steering box section of the frame and the spring and shackle hangers. I'd also add steel 12" or so on each side of the motor mounts. And strengthen the motor mounts if you're not building new ones.
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Old 03-12-2016, 01:27 PM   #5
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Default Re: Scout frame or Dodge frame?

I have a 6.9 sitting in my Scout and made my own motor mounts but plated the steering mount and gusseted the spring mounts.
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Old 03-14-2016, 06:14 PM   #6
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So far, it looks like Scout frame. I really want to run the kelderman air ride in back so I'll have to look into what it will take to use it. There's quite a bit of difference in frame widths and the air ride is also the receiver hitch so it needs to be a strong connection.
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Old 03-14-2016, 10:14 PM   #7
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No doubt!
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Old 12-09-2018, 06:52 AM   #8
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https://youtu.be/GpeGiYg5rAU
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Old 02-14-2019, 09:29 PM   #9
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This vid is more like it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvipb9sseoM
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Old 02-15-2019, 05:24 AM   #10
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That guy is about an hour from where I live he did dana 60s and the 6bt. He said it's awesome.


Somehow I don't understand how a scouts fully boxed frame isn't strong enough like you say? Plenty of guys have done it.
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Old 02-15-2019, 09:20 AM   #11
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That Terra video looks like it was made for selling the vehicle, shots of the tires and inside of the bed. I would have liked more details of the conversion.
The Scout frame is 16 or 14 gauge? It's real thin. Having torn a spring mount off on my first Scout, which left a nice hole, I've seen how thin it is. With plating it will work just fine.
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Old 02-15-2019, 09:50 AM   #12
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My Scout is about 125 wall in the frame. If yours was 16 Ga then it was pretty rotten.

The spring hangers are a common weakness on all of them. A tiny triangle gusset behind it solves all the problem.
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