Line Set Tickets??

I don't know if this is the correct place to ask this question. If not please place in correct forum.

I finally got my line set ticket, and was wondering where do you go to decipher the numbers.
 
Seems like the right place to me josh!

Can you scan and post your lineset?? Then we can help ya figgr out what it sez! Stuff like this is always of interest to our members here!
 
Here we go. Its kinda of hard to read.
I would guess that this was purchased in texas to begin with?
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Actually josh, this lineset is really nice compared to many!

Those were originally compiled on microfilm (and before that inna simple filing system!). Then later were archived on microfiche when that format was developed. So the method of reproduction today will vary and the quality of the document you receive varies by the current quality of the original format.

For decoding, I'll "help" you with your homework assignment. Go to this page found on the super Scout specialist website (yes...we are "friendly" business associates and also competitors!), and print off this "line ticket code reference" which the glancys have compiled:

vehicle lineticket code reference

That is by far not a complete compilation but is the best we have to work with. It does take care of the vast majority of the line items on your lineset! So study that and you can then go down your lineset and decode for yourself and learn how this stuff works!

Looking at your lineset (after I enhanced the images), that vehicles was most likely delivered by rail to a "port of entry" (railhead in lubbock, tx). Looking at the shipping code, I believe that was the santa fe line but I don't recognize the trucking company code that did the cross-ship. From there it was transported to the International Harvester factory branch in el paso. A "factory branch" is a dealership of sorts that was owned and operated by International Harvester corp, not an independent local business person. These locations served as parts distribution warehouses, factory service and overhaul centers, and as a base of operation for the regional field sales/fleet/service/warranty/parts force employed by corporate.

Every vehicle off the assembly line was built to an individual "order", IH did not produce "pool" vehicles for IH dealers to order from.

At the bottom, you see the designation "prototype 4x4". That means the base vehicle as it was spec'd for all vehicles to be "copied" from and that the line items selections were added to or deleted from. Today, we refer to that "sample" vehicle as "2pp" or second production prototype which has actually been "tested" down the assembly line in a run of 100 units. That run is used to train the assembly personnel/inspectors, sort at the parts delivery protocol to each assembly station, adjust the tooling as needed, and in general work out the bugs of the assembly process....and that process is a major clusterfook that can take days/weeks to sort out and fine tune!! Those 2pp rigs are then bashed in some offline durability/performance/emissions tests, and are then either torn apart for quality inspection, made into training aids, or destroyed by crushing. They cannot be sold as they do not carry any form of "legal" vin or documentation, only a production id for a control number for the computer to sort the options.

The fourth column from the left is the important one. That contains the IH code designation for that particular item/assembly. That number in turn refers to the IH "model" designation such as seen in some of those line listings, t-14, fa 14, tc 144, etc. And those are the numbers you see thrown around here on the forum sometimes like we know what we are talking about in some kinda lingo!!

The model and code numbers can then be crossed over on the lineset reference into the actual component supplier's model number for the part or assembly. Such as "fa14", is a code 2014, which is a spicer (Dana) steering/drive axle with a 2000# load capacity.

When you use the ihc-produced parts lists and service manuals, those numbers are important so that you can use the proper sections to look up part numbers and correct service procedures for what you are dealing with, not someone else with a completely different variation of the base vehicle!

Some interesting point about this rig that I could see right quick...it had turn signals (turn signals were an option on all vehicles back then!), a heater, the larger radiator (that radiator would have a top tank that is parallel to the top of it's core support and is about 15% greater heat exchange capacity than the "prototype" radiator), and 16" wheel/tire combo (with a spare!).

And in the IH "order/production" scenario, everyone of those line items could be deleted if the ordering entity (dealer, fleet, factory branch) had a reason to do so based upon intended end-user desires.

The other page is a "line-off" inspection record. However, that one does not to have been really completed "by the book"! This was part of a quality control/quality assurance process and also the place to record the serial number of the actual components if they carried one. The radiator is serialized, the axles, the transmission, etc. At least they did enter the frame number and the engine number on this rig. Keep in mind, all this was a manual process done by human beings back then, in today's production environment, much of this is processed and controlled by computers and robots with all line items rigidly accounted for unless someone scruus up, then the house of cards falls down and the production line stops!

So see whatcha can do with this and git back to us if ya have questions or need clarification. This is a wonderful lesson in ihc history and by starting this thread you will be helping many folks around here

thanks!
 
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Ok! You have my attention. I will start looking it up, and hopefully I can figure out what it is supposed to have and what it has now.

Thanks michael.
 
Well this is what I found so far. It looks like they only have the axles, engine, trans/transfer, and steering.
how hard is it going to be to find out the rest of the codes?
So from what I can tell the second sheet list the serial# for the chasis and the engine. Which if this is correct I can tell if it has the original engine. How can I tell if it has the original radiator? What is this tool pack on the second page; I would assume that it came with some sort of hand tools?

The front axle is a fa-14 02014 dana27 driving 2000# - mt113,123 - Scout 80.800,a,b

the rear axle is a ra-4 14004 Dana 27 - mt113

the steering is s-14 05014 sl-52 ross manual - mt110,113,118 - c100,c1000,d1000,80,1000a

the clutch is 11103 10" 6 spring - mt110,113,118,123 - light line,Scout

the engine is a e-95 12095 4-152 gas - mt110,113,118

the transmission is a t-14 13014 t-90 warner 3 speed, 4x4 - mt113,123,130

the transfer case is a *tc-144 13144 Dana #18 - mt113,136


Fa14 frt dr axle 0002014 9601 fa-14 02014 dana27 driving 2000# - mt113,123 - Scout 80.800,a,b
frt spring w/shock abs
rear spring w/shock abs
hyd brakes cont l/power
rear whl park brake
s-14 steering gear s-14 05014 sl-52 ross manual - mt110,113,118 - c100,c1000,d1000,80,1000a
driveline mounting
exhaust system
electrical system 12v
12v 25 amp generator
dir signals frt&rear
front end sheet metal
speedometer tools&misc
clutch 10in 6 sprd hyd 11103 10" 6 spring - mt110,113,118,123 - light line,Scout
engine 4 cyl IH e-95 12095 4-152 gas - mt110,113,118
increased cooling
t14 transmission t-14 13014 t-90 warner 3 speed, 4x4 - mt113,123,130
tc 144 transfer case *tc-144 13144 Dana #18 - mt113,136
ra-4 rear axle ra-4 14004 Dana 27 - mt113
11 gal du side mtd fu tk.
Trans cover&lever seal
body w/roof win du tanks
fresh air heater defr
16in disc 450e rim f whl
tire 600x16x4 ply mgs
sp tire 600x16 4p pc n d
600x16x4 ply mgs
propeller shaft
propeller shaft
paint chart 100s 1230tn
prototype 4x4
4271230
 
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Some additional info now that you have looked your lineset over...

Many of these docs have much in the way of "penciled in" information, scratchouts, handwritten notes/codes, etc. Many reasons for that.

In some cases the actual vehicle was transported to another company location for "completion" in some manner, shipped to a body company for a vocational body or modification to be installed/performed (such as a frame stretch/shorten), to an "approved" (contract) aftermarket vendor for a conversion (such as the "midas" package and other trim packages popular in the late 60's>70's), etc. In that case the lineset would have been continued "by hand" or even a supplemental sheet started up.

Then, if a dealer installed some "option"-type accessory items that were actually sourced through the ihc parts network (like an auxilary fuel tank, a roll bar, snow plow, etc.), then those items were also documented. Then a copy of the changes was sent back to ihc hq for adding to the "birth record" of the actual vehicle. The end-user/customer was always admonished to retain their copy with the vehicle as that was the only way service and parts personnel in a dealership could correctly id exactly how the rig was equipped! Again, this is truck-type business practices that ya didn't see at the Ford/dodge/chev/Jeep/studebaker/gmc dealership!

Information such as that is how the recordkeeping requirements could be used in the case of field campaigns for service updates, recalls, etc. Before the feds got involved in managing this stuff with the advent of the federal seventeen digit vin assignment according to sae standards and practices.

Some of the linesets we see nowadays are so "marked up" it's difficult to actually read what was originally produced and determine what was a factory/line installation vs. A dealer installation, vs. A dealer installation done two years after the rig was put in service!

Back to your lineset...the one item that is puzzling is the 7th line from the top, the "brakes". See the term "power"??? I have many other variations of the lineset codes other than what I referred ya to at superscout, but none of 'em break out the brake stuff, I've been looking for that for years! IH used many variations of brakes on all platforms!

Since you brought up the subject of that hydrovac unit, I've exhausted all my resources for trying to verify if that could have been a line-install option, can't find anything about that and I've spent alotta time trying to satisfy my curiosity! Now that I have the code off your lineset, that May be a piece of the puzzle to work from I'd not had before!

When you have an opportunity, can you take a wide angle shot of your engine bay including the mounting of the hydrovac from the top? I'd like to see the relationship of anything else that might be under the hood. I know the exact position the hydrovac is installed in from your other pics, the install just does not appear to be a typical "factory" type deal, but could certainly been dealer installed or even an aftermarket kit install that was universal in nature.
 
Mike, my '64 d1200 and 61 b120 have their hydrovacs lashed up in similar fashion to josh's Scout. They're both driver side fender mounted. I recall Mike's cool bus has a similar install. On the other hand my friend's bus onna loadstar chassis has a huge pancake hydrovac unit mounted under the driver side on the chassis, the master cylinder is on the engine wall like a normal one.
I don't know the reason, but there seems to be a rhyme to them.
 
well this is what I found so far. It looks like they only have the axles, engine, trans/transfer, and steering.
how hard is it going to be to find out the rest of the codes?
So from what I can tell the second sheet list the serial# for the chasis and the engine. Which if this is correct I can tell if it has the original engine. How can I tell if it has the original radiator? What is this tool pack on the second page; I would assume that it came with some sort of hand tools?

The front axle is a fa-14 02014 dana27 driving 2000# - mt113,123 - Scout 80.800,a,b

the rear axle is a ra-4 14004 Dana 27 - mt113

the steering is s-14 05014 sl-52 ross manual - mt110,113,118 - c100,c1000,d1000,80,1000a

the clutch is 11103 10" 6 spring - mt110,113,118,123 - light line,Scout

the engine is a e-95 12095 4-152 gas - mt110,113,118

the transmission is a t-14 13014 t-90 warner 3 speed, 4x4 - mt113,123,130

the transfer case is a *tc-144 13144 Dana #18 - mt113,136


Fa14 frt dr axle 0002014 9601 fa-14 02014 dana27 driving 2000# - mt113,123 - Scout 80.800,a,b
frt spring w/shock abs
rear spring w/shock abs
hyd brakes cont l/power
rear whl park brake
s-14 steering gear s-14 05014 sl-52 ross manual - mt110,113,118 - c100,c1000,d1000,80,1000a
driveline mounting
exhaust system
electrical system 12v
12v 25 amp generator
dir signals frt&rear
front end sheet metal
speedometer tools&misc
clutch 10in 6 sprd hyd 11103 10" 6 spring - mt110,113,118,123 - light line,Scout
engine 4 cyl IH e-95 12095 4-152 gas - mt110,113,118
increased cooling
t14 transmission t-14 13014 t-90 warner 3 speed, 4x4 - mt113,123,130
tc 144 transfer case *tc-144 13144 Dana #18 - mt113,136
ra-4 rear axle ra-4 14004 Dana 27 - mt113
11 gal du side mtd fu tk.
Trans cover&lever seal
body w/roof win du tanks
fresh air heater defr
16in disc 450e rim f whl
tire 600x16x4 ply mgs
sp tire 600x16 4p pc n d
600x16x4 ply mgs
propeller shaft
propeller shaft
paint chart 100s 1230tn
prototype 4x4
4271230

Lotta typing to transcribe the lineset man!

On the rear side of the top tank of the radiator you should find a brass placard sweated in place, it will have the radiator data.

There is an extensive amount of historical data available thru the wisconsin historical society:

mccormick-International Harvester company collection of the wisconsin historical society

This is where the archives of the "old" ihc ended up about two years ago, and this is where the lineset ticket archives are now located.

Much "paint"-related info is found there in the "paint committee" archive. My wife (and our club secretary) is working with these folks right now gathering graphics and such to use with permissions for our future Great Western Binder Bee production:

http://www.forums.IHPartsAmerica.co...r-bee/2463-2010-great-western-binder-bee.html

You can spend days right now online playing in the whs archives just regarding mccormick/IH stuff!

If you have an old body and paint supply house in your area, you can take that paint code to them and they should have paper books that go waaaay back and they can "decode" the color. Many of those oldtimers (like me) now specialize in restoration supplies like that, not many of 'em left that know the old stuff now, that's due to all this "environmentally-friendly" paint shit we have to deal with today!

On the passenger side inner fender, right over the fuel tank hole on your rig...do you have a sheetmetal lid that is retained with a piano hinge? If so, that is what I call the "kleenex holder". I "believe" that lid is what is referred to on the:

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line listing. The dealer-installed option was box that mounted under that lid as a "tool box". But if the rig had the passenger side tank option (or dealer-install tank), the box could not be used obviously so the lid is access to the top of the fuel tank on that side. This information was related to me by ernie bisio and ron rawls of bisio motors fame in portland, or several years ago.

The engine code denotes the standard 152 motor for use in the u.s./north American vehicle as opposed to the "low compression" version used in export (could run on kerosene) or the "lpg" version (propane). Those engines were used in many farm equipment apps, stationary apps, forklifts, etc.

Compare the chassis number that is printed at the top of the far right hand column on the lineset with same number that is penciled in on your "chassis inspection card". Then verify the penciled in engine number with your engine number for verification as to "originality".

I believe that "frame and bumper" code (second line from the top) is a serialization on the actual frame rail "set" before it was actually assigned a "frame number" at the point it was initially loaded onto the production skillet. The frame "sets" were in many cases "bought out", in other words they were either produced in an IH subsidiary operation or came from an outside vendor who supplied the motor vehicle industry with stuff like this. If you were to actually have that frame acid-dipped and then soda blasted, you would most likely see manufacturer's trademark/id stamped into the frame sub-components to identify the source of the root product. So the frame assemblies came into the assembly plant pre-built/painted and possibly with some peripheral components attached also.

I have a video (dvd) that is currently on loan to our club that actually shows much of the original Scout 80 production system in historical photographs and film footage. I've not seen this all the way through myself yet! But I have seem some of it and it's very revealing in regards to the production system that was used for the s80 which was kinda "unique" as compared to the "mainstream motor truck production system!

The "tool pack" was a part of some motor truck assembly processes, but I don't believe it had anything to do with s80. Keep in mind, the basic lineset ticket form was a pre-printed document that went through a semi-automated process with all the data from the hand-done "order" then entered in a "key punch" mode. But you prolly aren't old enuff to remember "pre-computers" back when this kinda "data entry" stuff was done by hundreds of clerks in a boiler room at the factory where orders were "input" into the system on something that resembled teletype machines!

IH service letter slm74-12 is a large document compiling all component part/assembly serial number locations by vehicle model for the entire motor truck line with visuals. But in many cases I've found discrepancies and omissions, and of course, if anything was added after that point (and many items were of course), it's not complete. I believe this document was updated and re-issued once every model year all the way through eop of real IH production (not the reorganized joint venture company) sometime in 1985 when the company went down the tube. But I do use it quite often for research for some of the crap I toss out here on the forum when I know it's correct!

That particular letter was also used to define the 14 digit serial/vin number in use up to that point in time by ihc. The 17 digit vin did not come into use by ihc until the 1974 (or 1975??) model year when the feds turned all this stuff upside down!

As for the rest of the codes, we'll have to keep working through this stuff using various other references and do the research ourselves! But you have already determined the important part of this deal and where to find the info!

Good exercise and we'll both/all learn new stuff! The Scout 80 (and to an extent the Scout 800) probably overall have the least amount of documentation on "where", "what", "when", etc. Because it was a totally new type venture for IH, and that is reflected in it's somewhat crude design that evolved/morphed over time into the Scout II!
 
As for an example of frame sets that were supplied to the assembly line from outside the ihc-production system...

This is the processed frame set for the 1935 c-1 IH pickup that I'm working with right now and described in this thread:

http://www.forums.IHPartsAmerica.com/readers-rides/2550-ol-yellar.html

When we inspected the frame seen hanging on the rotisserie in the paint booth after painting, all the various "marks" could be easily seen!

Many of the individual assembly components have an ihc part number as used at that point in time. But the frame rails themselves (and at least one of the crossmembers) were stamped by an outside vendor...and that vendor was willys-overland!! Back then , willys was a bigtime operation in the motor vehicle/motor truck bizz! See that "w" raised portion on the frame rail, that is not "stamped", it is raised and that could only have been formed when the actual rail was stamped from a mill-run blank!

Willys-overland (along with waukesha and other manufacturers) built the engines for IH vehicles at the time. But the actually engine casting components had the old original "ihc" logo cast in for id. The engine designation is "hd-3" and is the exact same engine designated a few years later by ihc as the original green diamond 214 which continued in production as a mainstay for wwii and into the 1950's!
 

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For IH paint codes, I have used the online paint chip library for tcpglobal.

Looks like they can supply any automotive paint color... Though I do not know anyone that has used their paint.

Here is a link to the 1961 "paint chips":

color chip selection

Looks like 1230 is tan...

The last line is a "repeat" of the paint code

paint chart 100s 1230tn
prototype 4x4
4271230

427 is the axle ratio; 1230 is the paint code.

If an IH vehicle has a two tone paint job (red carpet specials(?), aristocrats, p/us, t/as, etc) I have seen the "last line" as 427spec (from other posted lsts) and "above" is two paint codes for the two colors used.

I have no idea on how the various "decal packages" on Scout iis are listed on the LST...
 
Here are some of the pictures of the hydrovac. Also some other pictures.


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Found the tag on the radiator.

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And the area behind the passenger seat for the kleenex holder.

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And the bumper

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The pics definitely help with determining "what" you have to deal with josh!

First off, that hydrovac sure appears to have been installed in a "factory" manner, even though it's obviously been po-hacked over the years. I just don't know...let's keep working that and see what we can come up with definitive! The larger vacuum feed hose on the hydrovac would have had to connect to the intake manifold in some manner, is there a "tee" fitting on the manifold that has that size hose barb/nipple?

The radiator is yet another variation I've not seen. It looks to me from this perspective to be about two inchs "taller" in relation to the "standard" radiator I've delt with before on the '61/'62 s80 rides. But it's not the larger radiator that was used after that where the top tank is even with the top of the core support, making it about another 2 inches increased in height.

I'd say the paint is original unless it was re-painted at some point in the original color. Does the oem paint deep inside the door jams and in some of the hidden/protected areas match what is on the hood/body?

The heater on the driver side is definitely original to the '61/'62 model, the '63 and later had the heater assembly moved to the passenger inner fender and the duct across the bulkhead was moved inside and below the dash fascia.

That is a delco distributor ya got.

The horn has been relocated from it's original position which would be right where the hydrovac is mounted.

And, it now has an "early" delcotron alternator mounted which must use the external voltage regulator, that was a very common conversion even 35+ years ago! Iirc, the alternator was introduced to the s80 platform for 1963.

The grille guard was a common accessory item also. I don't have a copy of the IH accessory catalog that shows those, but I do have the later versions. That item was an ihc accessory though, iirc they were actually manufactured by the fey corp. Who supplied many so-called "factory bumpers" and guards to both the oem side and the dealer accessory side.

On trucks back in the day, both front and rear bumpers were an extra-cost item and didn't become "standard on trucks until the feds enacted the "bumper height" and impact regulation that caused many import vehicles to disappear from the u.s. Market.

That version never had the so-called "bulkhead connector" (n=2) that the '63 and later did. I can also see that the original tape-wrapped wiring harness that went through a grommet in the bulkhead appears to have been removed. Also, those had no fuse protection for the electrical system if you can believe that!!! The only circuit protection was either a glass fuse or a circuit breaker on the headlight switch itself, and also an inline fuse for the heater blower motor switched b+ feed. There should be a relay for the horn mounted somewhere, usually over by the voltage regulator.

Overall, from your pics, I'd say that rig is somewhat above average comparatively speaking!
 
I was looking at this today and remember that you said the horn would have been located where the hydrovac is. That got me to thinking that if it was mounted there at one time it should have had a hole.

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And it looks like it might have had been mounted there at one time due to the paint. Looks like a ring around the hole.

As far as the vaccum line goes, this is the only thing that I could find. The tee fitting out of the hose is the same size as this. I would guess that the hose coming off of this would tee in the vaccum line for the hydrovac and go to the top of the fuel pump for the wipers.

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Here is another fitting that I am not sure what it is
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And another fitting on the intake.
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Back to the master cylinder I traced the brake line out. The line my hand is on comes from the master cylinder and goes to the distribution block. It is really long almost like it would have when to the hydrovac unit.
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The distribution block
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And here on the wall the the hydrovac is mounted on is a hole that looks like it where the line would return from and go to the distribution block. But it looks like it was drilled out. Not like it was punched out when the rest of it was punched out. But then if it was a factory install; I am sure this would be a rare option and it would have probably have to be drilled out by hand to complete the install.

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As far as the alternator goes, this should be the voltage regulator. This is mounted on the other side of the battery.
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The doors have been replaced, I think I was reading somewhere on here that they would be a sliding window instead of a roll up.

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The tailgate I think has been replaced, though I think it is the correct one for the year.

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And a couple of more pics

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I really enjoy looking and working with stuff like this josh! It's quite an education to see Scout 80 stuff and how it's "evolved" (or not!) over the years!

So let's go down your latest "photo list" and see what we got here!

The more you reveal, the more sure I am that the hydrovac was not a factory install. You are correct about the crude way in which some of the plumbing was routed!

The vacuum "nipple" coming out of your intake manifold is definitely where the "tee" fitting would have been installed. And that nipple is connected normally to the vacuum pump on top of the fuel pump as one vacuum source for the wiper motors.

On that same note though...on oem engine install at that point in time would have had a "road draft" tube for the crankcase breather, your has been converted to a true pcv. The cleanable valve is that component connecting the lifter chamber cover with that vacuum fitting from the bottom!

And...as part of the pcv system, there would have been a hose from the oil filler neck going into the "clean" air side of the oem oil bath air cleaner. Instead, I see an oil filler neck on your motor currently that is made only for use with the "breather"-type oil filler cap. That neck is pressed into the timing cover and can be removed/replaced.

I'm simply suggesting that at some point in the past, a later engine might have been swapped in and some of the oem parts used (timing cover),...or just some other bits and pieces have been swapped around for whatever reason. Again, this is a very common thing we see with Scout 80! Have you checked to see if the engine number matches the engine number penciled in on your lineset??

The fitting that is partially broken off in your thermostat housing is the oem sender for the coolant temperature gauge. The bakelite-insulated contact that the sender wire connects to has been broken off.

That square head pipe plug is simply an alternative connection point for the engine coolant out(hot water) that feeds the inlet of the heater core. Later rigs with the heater on the passenger side used that tap along with either a "bib"-type coolant shut-off valve or an actual adjustable valve (cable control) from the heater temperature control switch/cable. That plug goes directly into the water jacket of the intake manifold.

That junction block for the hydraulic brake lines mounted on the inner fender is the original junction that ties the front and rear brake circuits together to be fed from a single channel master cylinder.

That voltage regulator is a bosch "replacement" for the delco regulator that would have been a match to that delcotron external regulator alternator that is a conversion from the oem delco generator. It is mounted in the correct position, and the horn relay is mounted next to it.

The doors...you are probably correct, but we're still working on trying to put together definitive info regarding the correct door/window/top/windshield combinations that were available. In the picture of your top, I "think" I can see that the row of fasteners which retain the top to the windshield header or on the outside of the windshield??? That point is key in determining what parts go together as a "match".

I can see that is a bucket seat version, so it should have a row of threaded holes on the floor riser where a bulkhead can bolt-in. That is another part of the door/window/top fitment puzzle...but at least all your stuff appears to match correctly!

Now that we can see the interior paint, does the light blue look original? Maybe the exterior was a re-paint in the factory "green" color after all. And the doors are definitely donors from another rig. Best part??? It has the original "radio delete" plate in the dash! Very rare part, most have disappeared many moons ago! And the entire dash is unmolested by bullet holes, punchouts, cobbled radio install, etc.!

And the tailgate shows that at least that one (not original) never had the "swing-down" spare tire carrier (an option) mounted with holes punched in the center of it!

So...what are your intentions for the rig going forward??
 
I would agree with you on the hydrovac not being a factory install. But I would guess that it would be a dealer install.

I was wanting to check the numbers on the engine but it was raining off and on today and I couldn't really get a good look at it.

Yes there are a row of bolts going across the top of the windshield.

I am pretty sure that the light blue paint is not original. In the cargo area, it looks like black paint to me. The blue paint stops in the passenger and driver area.

As far as going forward I want to do some sort of restore on it. Right now I am trying to educate myself on the scouts. I want to see what I have and what it is supposed to have and go from there. I would like to get the engine running and get it to where it is drivable to see how well the engine/driveline is. I a buget number in mind (about 10 grand) to get it in decent shape. I don't know if that is a conservative number or its way more than I need. This will be the first vehicle that I have ever restored so I sure there are a lot of problems that I will run into. But I really don't want to get in a hurry with it. I want to do it right the first time because I plan on keeping it for a exteremly long time. I paid $500 for it when I got it 2 years ago. So I don't have a lot of money tied up in it yet.
 
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That is a 61 correct? I think the tailgate is wrong, should have "International" across the top with the script "Scout" in the center. The IH logo was introduced in 64 or 65?

Judging from the paint on the shift boots and seat slider, there's probably a little blue farm house somewhere out in west texas that would match. The exterior paint seems to match the engine compartment so it could be original. Just look behind the vin plate, nobody paints there.

I didn't know the radio delete plate was rare because mine is intact but those tailgate latches are gold!
 
that is a 61 correct? I think the tailgate is wrong, should have "International" across the top with the script "Scout" in the center. The IH logo was introduced in 64 or 65?

Not quite, seems you have that flipped 180. No biggo though. Lots of funny info regarding the IH stuff floating around.:icon_rotate:
the "IH" tailgate was only used in 61 and part of 62 maybe 63 but depending on stock at the assy plant. Then the "International" and Scout script gate was used from that point forward.

The photo attached is of my 65' and it came to me as a known factory equipt Scout. Note the tail gate. I also owned a 61 with the IH gate
 

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