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Old 06-01-2013, 04:26 PM   #151
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Hey what happens if I take the 7 bolts that are on the pump housing cover???
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Old 06-01-2013, 05:11 PM   #152
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trev... Pulled the seal out and got a good looksie in there... There are two tabs one at 12 one at 6... They both have space behind them and turn free... I have the transfer case attached so standing it up will be a challenge (but not impossible) and I've massed my fingers enough on this. I'm guessing the tabs slide in the slots in the tc???
Daggum...yer a glutton fer punishment. Were it me, I'd be separating that t-case yesterday and install it after I have the trans in place. Makes the whole shit-er-ee a fuckton easier to balance. I suppose by now you have a system worked out for that unwieldy sumbitch...but I say again...daggum! A starved pygmy can bench press a d20 into place with one arm tied behind his back. To each his own though. You do what works best for you.

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hey what happens if I take the 7 bolts that are on the pump housing cover???
You have seven loose bolts in your hand. other than that, not much. That pump body is press-fit and sealed into place with a square-cut, perimeter o-ring. It takes a slap-hammer threaded into the two special threaded holes (one on either side) to bitch-slap that mo-fo outta there.
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Old 06-01-2013, 05:27 PM   #153
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Glad I asked before I was stuck with 7 bolts rattle'n in my grubby paw and when I go to put it back in I'll snap some fotos of my pole,come-a-long,floor jack,sling set-up (patent pending)

well off to lectric work as auto part closed early today... Nice wasted trip 8 miles into town for "gone fishin" sign... So have to wait till morrow for seal.

Tomorrow gets to be nother crap, crap, crapaty, crap day... Yeah!!!
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Old 06-01-2013, 05:31 PM   #154
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Man this popcorn is good. As I'm sitting here on my skinny ass laughing. All this talk of trans work makes me wanna start pulling my 72 trans out and rebuild it. But, one project at a time.

Although, one question does keep popping up in my own mind when I do some tinkering with the 727.

Is it worth while to even consider doing an overdrive modification to these ole IH 727's?

Apparently there is some kind of kit and/or has been done in the dodge/chrysler 727's in the past. Either that or fork up the cubic major funds for a 700r4 swap
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Old 06-01-2013, 06:24 PM   #155
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Kimball, if having auto w/od in your Scout is that important, I believe your best bet would be to go the 700r4 route. The admittedly little that I know of the "supposed" 727 od modification leads me to conclude that it would be akin to opening a dump truck load of mushrooms in your front room.
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Old 06-01-2013, 06:48 PM   #156
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Ok... Jumping ahead a bit... The metal bracket that bolts to the trans and sits on the cross member. Where it sits on the cross member metal to metal or does it sit on some kind of rubber piece? I ask as mine doesn't have anything on top but did have rubber underneath...
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Old 06-01-2013, 09:42 PM   #157
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There should be a sandwich of rubber or poly in that location. It is not at all uncommon to find the cushioning part of that piece has deteriorated severely after all these years. Without proper cushioning, you will have excessive drive train vibration. IHPA has replacement bushings available from the online store.
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Old 06-02-2013, 07:38 AM   #158
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man this popcorn is good. As I'm sitting here on my skinny ass laughing. All this talk of trans work makes me wanna start pulling my 72 trans out and rebuild it. But, one project at a time.

Although, one question does keep popping up in my own mind when I do some tinkering with the 727.

Is it worth while to even consider doing an overdrive modification to these ole IH 727's?

Apparently there is some kind of kit and/or has been done in the dodge/chrysler 727's in the past. Either that or fork up the cubic major funds for a 700r4 swap
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kimball, if having auto w/od in your Scout is that important, I believe your best bet would be to go the 700r4 route. The admittedly little that I know of the "supposed" 727 od modification leads me to conclude that it would be akin to opening a dump truck load of mushrooms in your front room.
Just to put a more fact-based cap on this notion of modifying or converting the tf 727 to overdrive...there are mopar kits available from gear vendors for this purpose, but they have no provision for the reverse texas adapter housing and married 4x4 t-case found in the sii 4x4. Their 4x4 kits are only for divorced units. So that pretty much bursts the bubble for an sii 4x4, unless your plans include hanging a divorced t-case also. Would you like a steaming can of worms to go along with your sauteed mushrooms?

now, in the case of a full-size 4x2 pick-all or a 4x2 sii, you could in theory tear down your trans, and if you had the necessary parts on hand, convert the entire output assy over to a mopar back half. That would then allow you to purchase and install a gv overdrive kit. Obviously, prop-shaft modification would be necessary due to the added length created by the gv unit.

As for a 4x4 pick-all, some creativity with regards to the intermediate shaft would likely be necessary, not to mention possible cross-member mods. Mushrooms! Get your your steaming hot, sauteed mushrooms! Get 'em while they're hot! And we haven't even talked $$$ yet. You think the 700r4 conversion is spendy? The gv kits run anywhere from $2800 to 3 large before shipping. Don't forget to add in the cost of all the other necessary items.

When you take everything into account, the 700r4 conversion is cheap by comparison, even in the case of a sii 4x4, which requires adapters on both ends.
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Old 06-02-2013, 03:19 PM   #159
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Up date time... Went to local "crapa" auto store to get the seal and they give me something that is a 1 inch id... So not even close. So 18 miles to the o... Get right seal, put it in... Had a cold beer, smoked a cigg... Then put tc in... Oh and trev... Smash finger comes with it. I have a 1/2 inch and easy way is nub is below los... So now another beer, then jack and crack and put it in... (and jack and crack = floor jack and lots of but crack work)
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Old 06-02-2013, 03:28 PM   #160
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I think ya got'er licked this time. I can feel it in my sphincter. Hasn't this been fun?
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Long way to go... Still have to see if it works and then that damn kick down lever... Uuuuuuurrrrrgggghhhhh
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Old 06-02-2013, 06:50 PM   #162
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Oh but the patient pending on the drop bar... One peice, easy for one person... But time consuming... Like to have 3 folks and do it in an hour or less... Only thing I say is don't freak out you broke your passanger door... You just hit the door lock climbing out our in...
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long way to go... Still have to see if it works and then that damn kick down lever... Uuuuuuurrrrrgggghhhhh
How goes the battle? The throttle valve rod adjustment (kickdown) is child's play compared to what you've been through.
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just to put a more fact-based cap on this notion of modifying or converting the tf 727 to overdrive...there are mopar kits available from gear vendors for this purpose, but they have no provision for the reverse texas adapter housing and married 4x4 t-case found in the sii 4x4. Their 4x4 kits are only for divorced units. So that pretty much bursts the bubble for an sii 4x4, unless your plans include hanging a divorced t-case also. Would you like a steaming can of worms to go along with your sauteed mushrooms?

now, in the case of a full-size 4x2 pick-all or a 4x2 sii, you could in theory tear down your trans, and if you had the necessary parts on hand, convert the entire output assy over to a mopar back half. That would then allow you to purchase and install a gv overdrive kit. Obviously, prop-shaft modification would be necessary due to the added length created by the gv unit.

As for a 4x4 pick-all, some creativity with regards to the intermediate shaft would likely be necessary, not to mention possible cross-member mods. Mushrooms! Get your your steaming hot, sauteed mushrooms! Get 'em while they're hot! And we haven't even talked $$$ yet. You think the 700r4 conversion is spendy? The gv kits run anywhere from $2800 to 3 large before shipping. Don't forget to add in the cost of all the other necessary items.

When you take everything into account, the 700r4 conversion is cheap by comparison, even in the case of a sii 4x4, which requires adapters on both ends.
I almost had to purchase a new phone from upchucking my morning coffee laughing when I read this. Thanks - I think. Adding some moldy bread to the mix, I read briefly about the mopar kits on a completely different sight other than gear vendors. It was a pipe dream anyways. Just stirring the pot.

Hmmmm - new trail meal? Shroom covered can-o-worms spread onto moldy bread.


Btw - not easy installing tranny and tc in as a package deal by your self with out some cubic $$$$ spent on tools. Try installing both them attached to the motor all at the same time. Been there done that. Nice little balancing act with the manual hoist.

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Old 06-09-2013, 12:14 PM   #165
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Btw - not easy installing tranny and tc in as a package deal by your self with out some cubic $$$$ spent on tools. Try installing both them attached to the motor all at the same time. Been there done that. Nice little balancing act with the manual hoist.

Key word = patience
Scooter I have it down to an artform... Can pull and put back in in 56 minutes now (after 5 attempts I have it down now... Thanks bro billy for flaking, so I had to do it myself) I'll be putting pics up later when I figure how to put pics...

As for adding a motor??? Are you crazy??? If you did that I'm in awe!!! You rock!!!

Ps... How do you post pics?
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