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Old 08-04-2018, 02:16 PM   #76
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Default Re: 1965 D1100 4x4 driver/project

That column doesn't look quite right to me. By "right" I mean original to the truck. The turn signal lever is much shorter and the knob much smaller than the levers/knobs I've seen in mid-60's IH trucks. The one in the '68 you posted for comparison is exactly what you would expect to see in a '65 also. I don't know what that column is from, perhaps a later D-series Pickall, but that might well explain the discrepancy you've noted regarding the number of circuits in your turn signal switch versus what is depicted in the wiring diagram.
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Old 08-04-2018, 03:18 PM   #77
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I think it is from a d series, or atleast thats been my on going theory. The diagram shows the plug diferently than it actually is on the new wire, and its a 6 pole plug. 7 wire switch, I think I may be able to get it to work problem is when I continuity tested it for the brake circuit disconect, left disconects when signalling left but signalling right disconects both. Remember, Its a rag joint column, in a ridged column type truck because of the body lift. Also I have half an original column or atleast original looking, its from a 62 pu. I was hoping to build a rag joint type column out of it but tbh I have no idea what a good option is or even if I have the right parts. I also have a wheel, its the 4 spoke kind but I prefer it to the 2 spoke.
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Maybe a scout 80/800 column would work as a starting point for a setup with a pwr steer box? Same era maybe same signal switch and wheel as original?
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Old 08-04-2018, 03:48 PM   #78
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I'm going to try and help you reconcile your turn signal wiring. I don't have a diagram for your truck, but I do have access to a Scout 800 diagram, which should be close enough. They use the same gauges, steering wheel, turn signal knob and probably most if not all of the same wiring circuits as the full size rigs of similar vintage.
Please let me know if what follows jives or doesn't with what you're seeing.

From left to right on the diagram...
461-18 goes to the hot side of the right turn dash indicator bulb.
116-18 goes via the front harness to the hot side of the front, right turn (bright filament).
(461 and 116 naturally originate from the same connector terminal).
117-18 goes via the rear harness to the hot side of the rear, right brake/turn (bright filament).
463-18 comes from one terminal of the brake light switch. The opposite switch terminal has 22-18 attached which comes from a constant hot battery distribution point that is attached to, but not actuated by the headlight switch. Important distinction there.
118-18 comes from one side of the turn sig flasher. The opposite flash terminal has 118A-16 connected, which is a power source originating from the ignition switch and interrupted by a 14amp fuse in the block.
115-18 goes via the rear harness to the hot side of the rear, left brake/turn (bright filament).
460-18 goes to the hot side of the left turn dash indicator bulb.
114-18 goes via the front harness to the hot side of the front, left turn (bright filament).
(460 and 114 naturally originate from the same connector terminal).
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Old 08-04-2018, 03:59 PM   #79
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Im a professional amateur artist btw
Important note, in the right side of my drawing where i wrote left I meant right.... Its been a long day lol
*edit I have the wiring figured out, Im just trying to figure out the switch. I'm also considering changing the column back to original look at this point.
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Old 08-04-2018, 04:11 PM   #80
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Ok. Well, the innards of that TSS look super-corroded and nasty like Shmucky Shmoomer and Ansty in the Pantsy Pelosi have been fornicating inside there for decades. Many issues with rear signal/brake light interaction stem from either very dirty or broken TSS contacts.
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Old 08-04-2018, 04:20 PM   #81
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Then I'll be ripping it apart tomorow lol. Im thinking, have been since purchase, I'm gona remove this column and somehow attach an original to the cab and convert the other end to jive with this box. Then I get my perty steering wheel and the correct signal switch, hopefully with a plug on it already lol. I have no experience in fabing columns, but I recon removing the upper end of this one(the part I look at), shortening an original(removing the part under the hood) and joining them together, then building a mount for the visible part under the dash would work. Or am I inviting bad things/comiting part genocide at that point?
*edit i am trying to put together a shopping list of what I need to do this. I will at some point, and I kinda want to just get it over with.
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Old 08-04-2018, 04:29 PM   #82
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I think I'd retain that column. Its probably better than the original. It should accept an earlier wheel and perhaps even the turn signal lever if you were going for original looks. Inspect, clean, and/or replace the TSS and that should resolve your rear lighting issue.
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Old 08-04-2018, 04:55 PM   #83
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You were right about the gunk.... Its strangely more gross recolecting your description but anyway, I couldn't resist I went back into the heat and haze and took it apart. Do you think I could perhaps, disassemble the indicated(c pic) housing and replace the "shell" with an older one? Didn't think of it untill just now but the column has the asthetic "tube" farther down towards the dash. Dont know what to do if the spline doesn't match the older wheel.
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Old 08-04-2018, 04:58 PM   #84
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Couple more pics of it.
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Old 08-04-2018, 05:21 PM   #85
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I don't know about that. Sounds like it could possibly be more complex and potentially riskier than stem cell replacement. I was thinking you could simply swap levers. That, along with the older wheel would give you the quasi "look", "feel" and "spirit" of the older column, while retaining the more functional guts that jive better with your updated steering system and body lift. The column essentially works well with your steering setup, yes? That is by far the most important consideration. Cosmetics should take a back seat to safety and function, I would think. I'm just cautioning you not to throw out the baby with the bath water, I guess is what it comes down to.
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Old 08-04-2018, 06:03 PM   #86
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Define works well.... Problem is I don't have function or safety so I'm starting with cosmetics and improving things from there It will be obvious (I hope) weather the housing might fit. If not your idea is close enough second. In regards to "function and safety" straight ahead bearing zero in this thing, is with the wheel turned 20 degrees starboard. Theres about 25 degrees play in the system, and my driveway had a bump in it that pulls the whole front end aproximatly 12" to the left in less than 10 feet distance. Country roads at 45 mph is drunk simulator. Fortunately highways are flat enough to drive without any bumper bowling.
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Old 08-04-2018, 07:16 PM   #87
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Oh. That doesn't sound so great. It will be interesting to see what solutions you come up with.
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I will be diving down that rabbit hole once I get the wiring buttoned up. The list:
Tie rod ends
Drag link ends
End ends
More ends
Horizontal shock stabilizer thingy(missing)
And I probably could look at caster angle.
It is sposed to be angled back slightly or straight up and down? Seen both, also I know T case shaft and pinion alignment come into play I think?
I also want to figure out a solution to alow my tires enough space to turn right all the way (hits lower pitman arm joint at front inside edge of the tire)
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Old 08-06-2018, 09:35 AM   #89
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Unfortunately my other steering wheel doesnt seem to have quite the same spline.... They seem real close but the column end is a bit too big. Is there any way out there to recut said spline? This wheel looks great in there, diameter of the back matches up with the colum well also. And the one that was in there was not attached all that well, so Im looking for a semi permanent fix.
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IDK. Got any good machinists nearby?
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